Especially our own soldiers and allies. Thankfully, friendly fire investigation takes months and nobody cares after a week.
I don't think you see the level of bias and simply disconnection to reality in many of the views pro-PRC posters have here. I am not critical of the PRC for nationalistic reasons. As many will tell you, I have been highly critical of U.S. policy - so have many others. We don't see our country as an angel. But the defense to criticize against the PRC is to attack the U.S. That's very intriguing don't you think? Instead of addressing the criticism, you see instead it being justified by pointing out someone else's wrong. And many of the claims made against the U.S. are not based on fact but on fears and suspicions. You can't really have a healthy debate when you are relying on innuendo. No one is saying the U.S. is an angel, but I do think we've taken a very soft approach to the PRC and that has it's own consequences. I don't think the PRC acts in the best interests of the Chinese people at all. Neither does our gov't a lot of times, but at least we have the ability to boot them out of office (if we get wise enough as a nation to realize it). But with the PRC, they are not doing good in this world at all. America has it's failings but as super powers go, it has been the most benevolent in the history of super powers. We're nothing like the imperialists, and many of the actions taken in the past in Latin America were clearly wrong and not really able to do it today with the level of media scrutiny our military is under. Other than Iraq, our past military operations in the last 20 years has been isolated to humanitarian missions in Somalia and Serbia, as well as attacking the Taliban for 9/11. That was definitely a defensive move. After vietnam and iraq, and now afganistan, this countries appetite for war might be at it's lowest in it's history. But this debate is not about the U.S., it's about China. And it's extremely troubling to see the emerging Superpower conduct summary executions and treat it's citizens the way it does. I grew up during the cold war. It's not fun. Not every economically powerful nation has to be a rival to the u.s. - look at Japan and Germany. The U.S. pumped billions of dollars into those economies to jump start them and they became two of the worlds biggest. And likewise, the U.S. is pumping billions into China. No one is trying to keep China poor and weak. But what the world, and by world I mean all of the world because it's not the U.S. that's the most nervous...it's Japan, Tailand, India, the Philippines, and many other nations...the world doesn't need the rise of another brutal empire set on global conquest. China is showing that it is willing to act as an imperialist by it's behavior in Africa, and it shows how brutal it is towards it's own people. Do you think it's a coincidence that India has developed strategic pacts with all of China's neighbors except N. Korea around containing China? That doesn't involve the U.S. The U.S. is more concerned about the currency issue than anything else. If we really cared about human rights in China we wouldn't have given it MFN. People argue that the U.S. benefits from Chinese cheap labor. Sure it does, but there's just as much cheap labor in India, Indonesia, and many other places. If China doesn't manufacture it, someone else will for nearly as cheap. I always wonder why people are so sympathetic to the PRC and based on the comments and statements made here, it appears that it's because they buy into the propaganda from the PRC without willing to explore other perspectives. Can you even entertain the notion that maybe what others are saying is true? That maybe what you believe isn't the actual story? That all these things you think about the U.S. or been told aren't necessarily true? I think there's a serious lack of critical thinking going on by the pro-PRC side here. Forget about me, I'm not representative of the more balanced thinkers in this thread who are making counter arguments. Pay attention to them, because they aren't making a nationalistic argument, they are being quite neutral.
After I committed mistakes A, B, C, D, E, I am a saint this minute. Other than I bombed kill 100 people Saturday night, I am an angel so far because I went to the church the next morning. Do you REALLY think it does not involve the U.S.?
And I don't think you see the level of bias and simple disconnection to reality in many of the views anti-PRC/Islam posters have here.
Well deserved. Get him out of jail. I think the crux of your argument is that Liu Xiaobo is subverting the government. And indeed, if he was indeed subverting the government, there's absolutely no question what place he should be. However, is he subverting the government? your assessment seems to be that he is. For the record, I disagree. Liu certainly has overreacted and definitely wasn't diplomatic, but is that subversion? I sensed no maliciousness and callousness for example, that I sensed on b1tches like Chai Ling. I don't need to question his motivation. The man had multiple chances to flee China but did not. Would you convict Lu Xun because he wrote Ah Q? He was pretty much spot on. As for application of law, what is your opinion that the Chinese government is actively breaking its own laws. I don't need to remind you the PRC Constitution. Chapter II Article 35 guarantees freedom of speech, press and assembly. Article 37 guarantees freedom of person. Article 39 guarantees freedom of home from unlawful search and intrusion. Article 40 guarantees freedom and privacy of correspondence. Article 41 guarntees the right to criticize the government. Now if Liu was indeed subverting the government, he waives those rights. But I think that claim is more or less on shaky grounds. Have you considered shortening the moniker to save keystrokes? It would be just as descriptive.
Get him out of jail, and then ship his ass out of the border, I think that is what CCP most likely to do next. Liu can enjoy his freedom and life abroad, and the CCP doesn't have to deal with him any longer. This has happened to several prominent human right activists before.
Oh wow, good ole Sweet Lou. Never fail to bring a tear to my eyes. In more ways than one. Sometimes free laughter at the joke he tells. Others from deep sadness that this excuse may share my species. I would say that if "criticism" of US policy doesn't change US policy, it's a waste of time. Didn't do much good did it? I read his posts. For the most part they're spot on. Little innuendo there. Spock says sorting our own house before telling somebody else what to do is logical. This part really had me rolling. The relationship between a government and its people, even an authoritarian one, always was symbiotic. There are dictators out there with a warped view of reality and the world that have misguided visions, but NO dictator out there, even Lil' Kim, is saying, let me screw my people just for the hell of it. Because even a warped minded dictator knows that he increases his own power, wealth and influence by ruling a strong nation. The goals of (especially a for-the-most-part well ran government) the government of China largely overlaps with that of its people. Only morons such as yourself think there's any doubt whether it's the Chinese government or a foreign power that really has the best interest of its citizens in mind. Which is, incidentally, why when it comes time to pick and choose, most Chinese people pick the Chinese government. Holy *****, what a concept. Even ignoring the blatant joke that the US isn't an imperial power, the current government of China NEVER WAS an imperial power. Heck, they'd have to go pretty damn far to compare to even what the US government did. Over the last 20 years, China grudgingly sent 125 MP's to Haiti after the UN told it that it wasn't doing enough. I think I've heard this one before. It always seem to somehow pop up from Indian posters. It does something like this: China is only ahead of India because China gets more FDI. No d*mbas*, you got the chicken and egg problem wrong. China is getting FDI because it's a good place to invest, which 40 years ago it wasn't. Otherwise I think we should pour money into Ethiopia. If everyone did that, its economy will take off. Oh wait, that's called a bubble. I'll bet half the Middle East and large swathes of South America are having real jitters right about now. I think this part must be a joke of some kind. Which of China's neighbours currently have a pact with India containing China? Funny. Last time I checked, I think it's in fact India that has a problem with most of its neighbours. For example, when asked whether to form a strategic partnership against India, the leaders in Bangladesh replied, why not, everybody is equally allergic to it. Last time I checked, there are at least 1/3 of the world that has cheaper labour costs than China. India in fact, earns slightly more than 1/3 per capita. In fact, it has been that way for about 4 decades. Kinda makes you wonder why things haven't already been out-sourced there? Oh wait, that's right, it's because China has a soon-to-be world class infrastructure, skilled labour, stable political environment, huge scale to meet global demands, a government and a tax policy highly favourable to business not to mention what would soon be one of the biggest markets out there. Come and think of it, when it comes to manufacturing, our choices include China and China. There's a far simpler explanation. If you are a moron, and people tell you that you are a moron, it doesn't mean they are pro Chinese government. I've always loved the "I'm neutral/objective/what have you" arguments. I'm perfectly neutral, but you are wrong. HA HA.
LMAO. I think the Indian inferiority complex still has not allowed them to progress past the whipping they got in 1962, despite how pathetically insignificant it was to China. I may have to google this, but last time I checked, crossing even your own claimed border in a territory dispute and attacking the opposing position and killing their soldiers constituted an act of war. That's precisely what India did and they still have the gaping hole in their collective asses (and more importantly, minds) to show for it.
anti-PRC/Islam? Why would you even group those two together??? Many people don't like the PRC because it's a ruthless and oppressive regime. Massacring a bunch of students for protesting isn't going to endear a gov't to anyone. The PRC isn't liked because it's earned it's bad reputation.
Where, exactly, did this bizarre post come from? Is it some reference to the repression of the 9 million Uighur Muslims in China’s far west?
