It's called putting down something in writing for future references. Not much a contract but neverthless an agreement. Well, if you really want to understand it, we need to go back to the relationship between law and moral. How may J-1 switched to H-1? Most of them have an "agreement" anyway.
I would think to pursue one's own happiness and a better life, without doing harm to others and society, has a very high moral level. If that means switching from J-1 to H-1, it's all good, imo. My point is we need to think more about the players as persons, not sports machines produced by the gov to win glories for the country. Using patriotism to control/alter a person's life is not moral.
I think if the CBA had choice, they would not let Wang, Yao, and Menke go to NBA. Instead, they would keep these money trees in China for their whole lives. Yeh, I have such a low confidence on them. But that impression comes from all their dealings with Wang, Yao affairs. And unfortunately, many people in NBA probably have the same little respects for them. Just look at Wang's search for a team. He is a good player, plus he has improved a lot in the summer. And he can bring the huge China market to any team who signs him. But he has not got a contract. Maybe it's because some teams interested in him are pondering the burden of dealing with CBA ?
Do you know how much money Yao, Wang and Bateer make each year in the CBA and how does that compare to the average folks in China?
Keeping Yao, Wang and Batere in China, CBA can rake in big bucks from tickets, TV and other deals. And more importantly, those are steady and guaranteed money streams. Sending them to NBA, as you said, is risky because anything could happen and they might get nothing (Wang hasn't hand in anything, and Yao's relationship with CBA is yet to know). Other than money, they lose control of these elite players in their league. Not the best outcome for them.
Uh...ok. I missed about 20 long posts since going to bed at 10, but I'll give it a shot. Yep, he sure would. He would give him that white college player's jersey and shorts. Shaq would be used to a smaller uniform like he was with Stocktons. (LOL. ) I don't really know whats going on here. I just skimmed over a bunch of posts. I just woke up in 40 minutes school starts. Maybe I'll read this later. edit: Well after seeing DCKid's sig, I know the white guys name: Nick Collison. I pretty sure his ppg will go WAY up after that China game. Either that, or he'll foul out each game with 8 minutes to go in the 1st.
So much Love for Wang skipping out on the NT? Is this the same BBS that blasted Iverson for missing practice with the 76ers and saying. . "IT'S JUST PRACTICE?' WANG MISSED PRACTICE WITH HIS TEAM . . .why is it not the same thing? Rocket River
The context and fundamental reasons are quite different, imo. Wang is fighting for the freedom to be able to miss practice in Iverson style.
Panda, The problem I have with your argument is that the CBA and chinese government are in a position of extreme power when they negotiate with the players. This is how the communist revolution started. A bunch of rich people who had all the power said to the poor people, you can only work for me if you give up 90 percent of the profits or I you can choose not to work for me and starve. The poor people have no choice but to work (sign the contract) or to rebel (what Wang is doing). The communist idealogy was very attractive to those people because it stated that everyone was equal. However, it doesn't work that way in real life and the communist party and the CBA are doing the same thing the imperialist did. Take advantage of the common people.
Exhibit A for how chrismatic can it be a slogan like "fighting for the freedom". Let's ask the but for question. CBA: Wang, if you miss the practice like Iverson, we are gonna shoot you, alright you are in US, but we are gonna imprison your parents. *now that's fighting for freedom* I'm glad a lot of my fellow Chinese are now capable of independent thinking, often anti-authoritive. But many of you are missing the boat with social context and personality critieria. freedom comes with obligation and responsibility. personality virtues are not that different under different social systems.
Wang has a CHOICE of whether to play with his national team or not, Iverson was under contract and is a LOSER PUNK PISS ANT HEADCASE !!! See the difference? DaDakota
It might be very different under different systems. Let me go for an extreme example (just for the idea). A person who was imprisoned by Nazi tried all he could (including cheating, lying, disobeying orders and hiding) in order to get out of the concentration camp. He/she was heroic in most people's mind. But if someone tries those things in current US prisons, generally he/she is regarded as a vicious person and criminal.
Not sure what analogy you are trying to draw here. that person has every right to do anything to save his own life. Good for him. But, I'll reserve hero for those who risk their own well-being for OTHERS.
Ridiculous. 50% is absolutely not "slavery policy." Every single US citizen pays almost as much from their annual income to the United States government. Wang Zhizhi wasn't kidnapped off the streets and forced into this lifestyle. At some point, either he or his legal guardians (his parents) made a conscious decision that he should join the national sports system. And that decision has consequences, consequences that might last the rest of his life. Wang Zhizhi, from a practical point of view, can do many things legally to avoid his responsibilities. He can simply avoid the CBA and Chinese soil for the rest of his life and never pay a dime. He can probably go to FIBA for some kind of arbitration on the matter. But from a moral point of view, he *owes* the league. Period. And if you aren't happy with the league's requirements, then I suggest you don't send YOUR kids into the CBA/sports development system in China. But if you still choose to do so, then I would expect you to live up to your promises. The CBA has not broken ANY of its promises to Wang Zhizhi. Wang Zhizhi has broken his promises and shirked responsibilities toward the CBA and the National Team. You can argue that it's better for the CBA/NT for them to let Wang Zhizhi go... I might even agree with you. But even if we agree the CBA is stupid, we should also agree that Wang Zhizhi is a liar and a cheat who has gone back on his word.
So what, when any baseball team thinks about Scott Boras (super-sports agent to some of the best talents in Major League Baseball), I *GUARANTEE YOU* managers and owners go into major convulsions and vomit all over the floor. Scott Boras is a hard-ass. He has forced situations that are, by all appearances, bad for his player AND bad for the team. The best example might be J.D. Drew. After being drafted by the Phillies, Boras insisted on $11 MILLION. And when the Phillies wouldn't pay, J.D. Drew played for some small mid-western professional league despite the obvious damage that'd do to his development... and to the Phillies organization. Regardless of how you criticize the CBA, the point is it has now become the top organization in all of Asia. Certainly it's still weak internationally, but in how many other team sports (especially popular sports) is China even in the top 12? Soccer? Baseball? The decisions it makes is done in the best interest of Chinese basketball. Maybe they aren't the wisest, and maybe they make mistakes... and I'm sure you can do better and lead the league to international dominance (go get a job with the Indian Basketball Association and prove your superior intelligence)... but they shouldnt' be criticized for being tough in their negotiations. Wang Zhizhi, on the other hand, should be criticized for violating his promises. How is that not obvious?
let me just say, it is not like every chinese person is a good speaker for china nor understands the exact calamities politically and socially. just as a great deal of american people can't differentiate the difference between democrats and republicans (actually, that is a hard one nowadays) or can't identify much of the structure america lives on other than using catch or pop phrases like "we are a nation of freedom! capitalism and liberty!... oh wait, did i mention we're free! and have liberty!" you can argue this and that are incorrect and wrong about china and for many things, it is true. but please look at history, try to fathom why china has so many problems and it becomes more apparent (and why they would have a sucky CBA ... basketball isn't even close to one of their long founded athletic events.. why put so much pressure on them to be good immediately??) so honestly, i understand the author of this thread is pissed at not being able to win in basketball, but what's the point of saying "I am a Chinese" .... and i think it sucks... etc.... Obviously being Chinese doesn't really give your opinion more weight, nor does it mean u're more educated about the history/politics/socioecononic/or social structure of china or the CBA. If you were, and thought about it, seeing why the CBA isn't that good would be a natural and understandable thing... and something which doesn't need a projected profession on this board in such a manner
Just want to make a few points . 1. I would appreciate more info from you on "every US citizen pay nearly 50% of income to Uncle Sam". 2. So 50% is not "slavery policy", in your mind. Is it 51%? 52%? or 60% would be? You miss the essence of the point. It's about freedom and fairness. Even Wang and Yao pay CBA, they are still under their control on where to stay in summer, where to train, and possibly be summoned back at any time. Are they human beings or machines owned by CBA? 3. Let's say Wang and his parents made a mistake to send Wang to China's sports system. So are they ****** up for life? They got pay with their life? If this is not slavery, what is it? 4. How do you know CBA has not broken any promise to Wang? In fact I would highly incline to think those bastards are more likely promise breakers, because they got absolute power in controling players' life. If you say they don't break promise, look at history, history will not favor your argument. 5. We have no hard evidence that Wang lied or cheated, it's too early to label him like that, IMO. In fact, even if he lied and cheated to CBA, who ruined four years of his professional life, I say great job, Wang, great job.
