Chinaman

My punishment for the offense?

Apologies and embarrassment. I humbled myself to the situation, admitted I was wrong and moved on. You should try it sometimes.

BTW how are things going at the boys home you volunteer for that you won't give up any information on?

 

I'm really just curious what you said when you called them, AB.

 

do we really want to punish people for honest mistakes?

i mean, if the guy had a bad intent, i'd say fire his ass and let that be it. but...when you say a word, not knowing you'll offend someone...should you be fired?

i'm thinking there are times in my life...times in all of our lives, probably...where i've put my foot in my mouth unknowingly. it's uncomfortable..and you apologize..and you avoid saying whatever it is you said ever again. but i'm not sure that without some intent it merits punishment.

 

So let's see.... You think Stockton's days should be numbered for the same crime that you committed, yet your punishment was far less severe? What leads you to have these inconsistent feelings?

 

Hold on Homey I said he should be "dealt with", but if that includes him being fired I'm OK with that.

I'm self employed. Even though I may exhibit schizophrenic tendencies, firing myself is of the question.

 

Where did I say his days should be numbered?

 

I know you are self-employed. I think if someone did not have a bad intent, they should not lose their job for a remark like that. And I would think that you especially, since you also did not know about the connotation and did not have a bad intent, should be understanding of that mistake.

 

It was said by implication, as well as here:

 

In your defense, you don't know what I went through. If you get a chance read my thread, it explains everything.

Is ignorance an affirmative defense to prosecution?

 

Could someone please link AB's thread? Thanks

 

So because you feel you have been treated unfairly, you want others to suffer also?

Lack of intent is. Many crimes require intent to even be a crime at all.

 

but all of that's beside the point...this is not a crime...and we're not talking about anything other than a private actor (TNT) dealing with an employee.

having said that...i'm speaking really from just a standpoint of fairness and management. do you really want to communicate to employees that if they make an honest mistake, with no bad intent, that they're just fired? that seems a bit harsh to me, even in the high-profile media industry.

 

Implications are like assumptions, don't put words in my mouth.
I can't win can I? If I was not outraged by the comments then I would be accused of the double standard, because this does bother me now I am apparantly being unfair in some other way.

Your implication is that you don't like me for whatever reason, so arguing with you is futile.

Last thing to you, Max and SJC...what if Charles Barkley would have said it, would you exercise the same tolerance. I don't think so.

 

I'd say it depends on "how ignorant" someone is. I don't think anyone could plead ignorance nowadays when using the N-word, simply because it should be inferred that one HAS TO KNOW it is a bad word. With the word "Chinaman", people often simply do not know yet that it is. Therefore, I think it is good to make people aware that it should not be used, but it is bad to call for someone's head who made an honest mistake.

 

again...it would depend on what Barkley meant by it. but why in the world do you think you know me well enough to know what i would think about that situation?

 

Uh...I quoted you directly.

 

Nevermind...no need to get involved.

 

Hmm, I think I might have been even more tolerant, because one needs to discount whatever Sir Charles says to a certain extent, as he sometimes doesn't think all that much about what he says. Plus, he is funny. Plus, he is entertaining, which I like.

If he used the word, I think it would be fair to call in and make him aware that it is a bad word. Perhaps it would be appropriate to apologize for the use of the word as well.

But I would never think that he should lose his job over something like that.

Just like I think you should not have gotten into big trouble over using the word, if you stopped using it after people explained to you why it might be offensive to many people. It should not have been that big a deal, and if someone made it a big deal and you had a lot of trouble because of that, that was most probably unfair, since you did not have a bad intent.

 

Only because I am bored.

 

I said "dealt with". Stop making up things, it will make you look stupid...again.

Thanks anyway RM.