I don't know what game you guys were watching but Steve Kerr was the one who said "Chinaman". And he should have used the term"Chinese" instead. This whole topic reminds me of Howard Cosell's infamous comments on MNF: "Look at that little monkey run!".
Hmm. I'm pretty sure it was Stockton. If it was Kerr you would think he would know better having been teammates with Bateer last season.
this thread is getting ridiculously long.. I think the commentator made a mistake maybe a slip of the tongue or something. Everyone slips hell I call my GF by the wrong name sometimes too.. I apologize and we move on. I felt awkward by the comment but I dont want to make a big deal out of it as long as people realize its not PC. I think some posters are looking for that type of confirmation and Davids you are making the situation worse by confusing people. Some people think chinaman is ok to say by your comments and others are trying to educate .. chinaman is a derogatory term like spic, whitey, ******, flamer or whatever else your want to use as an example. (I apologize if I offended anyone but im trying to make a point) To asians its a derogatory term.. does punishment or anything of the like need to be handed out. I dont think so.. someone slipped oh well they apologize and we all go to sleep. sorry we lost but at least the game was uptempo and fun to watch. So lets stop posting and go to sleep.. J
What did John Stockton say?!? That little b*stard! First the 3-pointer, and now this?!? Grrrrr... P.S. Just kidding.
That's exactly what i am thinking. From his posts I think DavidS agrees that Stockton has make a mistake. I also believe DavidS agrees that even if it was not intended to be a racist comment but still Stockton needs to apologize because he has inadvertently used that racially degoratory term. This is just exactly what most the other guys said Stockton should do. I have no idea what DavidS is trying to argue about.
Oh, come on, you're arguing because you enjoy arguing! When I was a kid in the '50's, we used to play that we were fighting WWII, talk about WWII, (what did your daddy do during the war?) and pretend to be "good guys", "bad guys" and so on. One of the "sides" in our pretend battles were the Japs. Now, that is an offensive term, DavidS. I think we can all agree on that. And I apologize to anyone who I may have offended by using it, but I'm trying to make a point. We were kids and didn't know any better. There were WWII movies on all the time (there still are, sometimes) that used the word freely. But it is offensive. When I because a little older, as a teenager, I figured that out. My Dad, who was a combat veteran, against the Japanese (that's the correct term) explained it to me. Stockton (or Kerr, whichever) used a racially offensive term, thoughtlessly and, I would imagine, without intentional malice, and should make a public, on-air apology. It's that simple. Some of you are not "getting it". And that's the way it is, as Cronkite would say.
The term was first used by villagers fourty to fifty years ago. Not foul lagnuage. It is commonly used by different class of HK people even now. Most of them are common people w/o racist intention at all. Even some foreigners (living in HK for years) have accepted this term. Its sound simply to "Gwei-lou". You can interview expatriates in HK who have been in HK for years for their opinion towards this term.
I found this on another board where this topic is being discussed. http://www.yale.edu/engl450b/Oh,_Chinaman_and_the_Chink.html Chinaman and the Chink Someone once asked me about the difference between a chink and a Chinaman. "I know the word chink is offensive," he said. "But what's wrong with calling someone a Chinaman?" To illustrate the difference between the two, I decided to tell him a story: There was once a superhero named Chinaman, like there once was a superhero named Superman. Superman could lift cars and fly and run real fast, while Chinaman did nothing cool at all. He only built miles and miles of endless railroad tracks, like his ancestors who once built miles and miles of endless stone walls. Back home in China he pulled rickshaws for miles and miles as extremely fat men sat in the back and yelled at him to go faster. When he moved here he slaved away on sugar plantations in Hawaii, fishing canneries in Alaska, gold mines in California, and hand laundries everywhere for half a penny an hour. This meant it took him two hours to make any real money. And while Superman didn't have to take **** from anybody, Chinaman took **** from everybody, kind of like Jew Man. Chinaman was thrown down wells, deported about fifty million times, excluded from America for sixty years, beat up for his money everyday, and taxed for all the gold he ever found in the lonely Californian hills. And if Superman and Chinaman ever got into a fight, Superman would win because he can punch Chinaman all the way to the moon while Chinaman can barely dent the Man of Steel. So how can Chinaman even be considered a superhero if he was such a loser? Superman would have done everything a zillion times faster and better than Chinaman, right? I'll let you think about this one. And just like Superman had an arch-nemesis in Lex Luther, Chinaman had an arch-nemesis in a villain known as the Chink. Everybody hated the Chink. The Chink would take away jobs from another superhero called White Man by flooding the whole country with his evil yellow brothers. The Chink would marry White Man's sisters and make evil little half-Chinks. The Chink would open opium dens, gambling parlors, and whorehouses, and the innocent youth of America would go to these places and be corrupted. The Chink also ate rats and dogs and anything else that crawled because he was not human. Chinaman, however, had a hard time fighting the Chink. This was because the Chink was a part of Chinaman, just like Mr. Hyde was a part of Dr. Jekyll and the ****** was a part of the Negro. What made it worse was that Chinaman could turn into the Chink at any time. Someone only had to call the Chink's name, or get angry at Chinaman, and the Chink would magically appear. Pretty soon Chinaman became inseparable from the Chink, and their names became interchangeable. Realizing that he would never win the war against the Chink or the people who could summon his enemy, Chinaman retreated to his Chinatown base. He hid there in fear of himself and other people. Chinaman passed away many years ago. Nobody killed him; he just grew old like acid-washed jeans and went the way of Negro and Red Indian (You'll have to ask someone else about these two other superheroes). Chinaman's children are still around, but are no longer referred to by their father's name because it was so synonymous with the Chink. Many of them also moved out of Chinatown, living wherever they want. But the Chink never died. He's a part of Chinaman's children, and if you want to see him you simply have to say or think Chinaman or Chink. Instantly the Chink will appear to you, one billion strong, ready to take over your world and your jobs, eat your dogs, breed you out of existence, drive in the wrong lane, take a zillion pictures of the same thing, and do better than you on the hardest of math and science tests. That's what the Chink means to you. And that's why he still exists. -- David Oh
I asked this question with a poll check out this thread: http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69638 Personally, since words like Englishman and Frenchman are accepted, I think it's pretty stupid that people get offended by the word Chinaman, and that people shouldn't be so damn sensitive (unless, of course, the context of the word's usage was intended to cause offense). But I have chosen not to use this word any more, in order to be considerate of the easily-offended, over-sensitive people of this world. -- droxford
DICK STOCKTON TURNER SPORTS * Has worked for Turner Sports as NBA play-by-play announcer since the 1995-96 season. He is teamed with analyst Hubie Brown. * Stockton received a CableAce nomination in 1997 for Sports play-by-play on TNT's NBA coverage. CAREER * The 1999 NFL season marks his sixth as play-by-play announcer for FOX, teaming with former Los Angeles Raider Matt Millen. He also served as play-by-play announcer during FOX's first NHL season in 1996. * Stockton is in his 34th year as a professional broadcaster. He worked at CBS from 1978-94, calling NCAA basketball as well as the speed skating at the Lillehammer Winter Olympic Games in 1994, his last full season at the network. He also worked the first two rounds of the 1995 NCAA basketball tournament for CBS. * Called Oakland Athletics baseball for KRON-TV in San Francisco from 1993-95. * Arrived at CBS in 1978 to work NFL games and hosted "CBS Sports Spectacular" until 1980. In addition to his NFL work, he was CBS' lead NBA announcer from 1982-90, working with current Turner Sports NBA analyst Hubie Brown. He also called Major League Baseball games from 1990-92, including three American League Championship Series. Other CBS assignments included the Pan American Games, World Figure Skating Championships, boxing, swimming and diving, and alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics in Albertville, France. * Began his broadcasting career in 1965 at KYW Radio and KYW-TV in Philadelphia. He was the voice of Boston Red Sox baseball on WSBK-TV in Boston from 1975-78. During this time he also called NFL and NCAA basketball games for NBC. PERSONAL * Born in Philadelphia, received degree in political science from Syracuse University in 1964. * Married to ESPN/ABC reporter and former Boston Globe writer, Lesley Visser. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Even though he probably didn't mean it in a racial way, he was wrong and should be dealt with. Couple that with the fact the he said it on a holiday that emphasizes racial equality, Stocktons days may be numbered. TNT sounds very concerned... Call this number 404-885-4538 and voice your concern. I did.
Um.... didn't you yourself use the word in your stand-up routine? In front of an Asian audience? Wow.
I did and was dealt with. Any more questions? BTW it was in front of a black audience, not that it matters but I always find it interesting how you can make up facts to support your pitiful arguments.
Yes, from your post it sounds like you called and asked for him to be fired. Did you lose your job because you inadvertently used a word that you did not know had that sort of connotation?
Since you are calling for Stockton to be fired, I'm curious to know what your punishment was for the offence.
