^^^ That is always the danger of mis-judging each other in a situation like this. If there is a slim chance of force being used, its because neither side accurately assess the cost. Right now both sides are bluffing with China using the people. Japan has backed down slightly since, but wouldn't retreat especially because China is hawking. Small battles can soon escalate. Tards on each side are not helping either.
Oh, did I touch a nerve to expose your hypocrisy that you did not even denounce the psychos who are killing people in the Middle East but got all worked up by a few cars having been flipped over. Do you even want me to quote what you said in that thread? Either you are sympathetic to the scumbags who are killing people in the Middle East, you are a plain hypocrite or you are a dumbass who cannot even think straight. Which one is correct?
You didn't touch a nerve, you're just not the first moron to show up here to defend anything done in China. Please do show me all those posts where I sided with the terrorists. The truth is that I hate America, you've found me out. Nice going Geraldo.
Well, after reading all these posts, I can't fathom why Japan might possibly want to become a normal nation with a normal military to defend themselves from a bunch of rabid nationalists who wouldn't know sorry if we kowtowed to Jingtao.
Well the lesson for Japan is don't ever invade and brutalize other countries and lie about it to next generations. No amount of sorry would fix it. That's the cost.
I was born in Taiwan and I proudly consider myself a Taiwanese. If you want to force me to admit I am Chinese, go ahead because it will not be the first time in my life that a fool said I was Chinese because I came from Taiwan. And I am not surprised at what you said at all either because you fit the profile of a fool to a t. Anyway, what does my nationality have anything to do with the validity of what I said. And if you had to use someone's nationality to attack his posts, you are weaker than a woman. The truth is that I have exposed your hypocrisy. Deal with it.
If that's your attitude and it represented majority Chinese opinion (although I think you're actually in/from Taiwan. Sorry if I'm wrong about that), then Japan may as well seriously militarize. If "no amount of sorry would fix it," then what is the point of negociations? My understanding is that Japan could build modern atomic weapons very quickly, within a few months, if she had the desire to do so. She is quite capable, given the incentive to spend the money, of expanding her high tech navy and air force, or buying one, and America and American companies, given US permission, which they would recieve, would be happy to sell everything to them, and we can make everything. We have no desire to see a Japan with atomic weapons, but sinking one or more Japanese warships over who owns these islands, not an impossible scenario, would bring about a militarized and far more nationalistic Japan. Who seriously desires that? It would also cause the United States to position carrier battle groups, which we can certainly send, on regular, constant rotation in the area. Does China really want that? The best thing for both sides is to sit down and seriously talk this over, and for China to dial down her sweeping statements declaring that she "owns" everything in the East and South China Seas, no matter what international law is, or what the other countries involved, not only Japan, have to say about it. All my opinion, of course.
I'll admit that I don't think Japan will EVER build a nuclear weapon unless there's an actual threat of China invading the home islands directly, especially with the US backing it up. There's just way too much of a stigma about it for obvious reasons. But yes, you're correct that Japan can build one very quickly if she ever desired to. That said, one thing I have been surprised about this thread.... is that I thought the Taiwanese liked Japan. Shows what I know.
So.... Is China and the rioters itchin for a scrum or am I off base? Trying to understand this situation here but thread seems a lil derailed.
No, I am from mainland. I stand correct that no amount of sorry would fix the underlying insincerity. Mind you post-war Japan acted very diffently towards the US as compared to the rest of countries it fought in the war. Countries from Singapore, Malaysia to China, South Korea are pretty much disgusted with Japan's post-war attitude. For this part, Japan has much to change. On the opposite of the same token, China is no pushover for obvious reasons. As I said, a battle over the island would at least unite China and Taiwan and very likely South Korea. Does the US want that? Look, for China, the hysteria has said it all - it could be an irrational player in this instance. I don't think bluffing would work for its intended purpose in this case and the US should not miscalculate the situation. The US has absolutely no business in getting involved. I am hoping the US to act rationally, which I think is the case. As for territorial disputes with all the neighbors, China needs to sit down and talk. For China's benefit, it can't have all the neighbor going against it. Much introspection from China is needed, but not at least because it should be intimidated.
Amazing! Clutchfans finally got a Chinese government troll! This website is finally important enough :grin: joking aside, are we going to stoop so low to continue the thinking 'Yes, the Japanese are our enemies!' That's the thinking that trapped Europe in centuries of on and of off wars with each other, except this time our weapons are more nuclear. Nah. The chinese should quietly persuade the North Koreans to blow up those islands. Since nobody likes the N Korea anyway, problem solved!
Also to add ... Japan crossed the status quo by nationalizing the island this time. Japan is the agressor. Beijing only wants the Japan to sit down and talk. You can google the whole development for an accurate account.
The difference between Europe and East Asia is that China dominates and has dominated the region in a way which no European state has ever done for an extended period of time. Partly because of this, a lot of the states in Asia explicitly define themselves as "We may take stuff from the Chinese, and we may have cultural similarities, but WE ARE NOT CHINESE." Japan is an obvious example, but so is pretty much SE Asia in general, especially Vietnam. You will never see an East Asian version of the EU. Ever. Because the China would inevitably dominate such a league and they would finally get their chance to take over all of Asia, and the other states know this. Right. Those 1000 ships and riots are because you want to talk. Uh-huh.
Geopolitics /= popularity. Japan isn't popular because of nationalism, but Japan doesn't currently possess the capabilities or potential to dominate East Asia like China has for pretty much the past 3000 years. And what was Japan supposed to do? Let Ishihara or the private developers who owned the islands develop them? Cuz sure, that would make the Chinese happy. We bought the islands, now everything's fine and we can talk, but Chinese needs to go and show what a big man it is.
