China to Become World's Largest Economy by 2035, Double US by 2050

No it will simply continue its current pattern 19-th century american style expanisionism and imperialism rather than global policing.

 

Even if their GDP crosses the US in 2035 the important factor is GDP per capita which describes individual lifestyle.

Because their population is 4x ours even in 2035, their lifestyle will be 20% to 25% of what an Americans is. The thing that many Americans don't realize is that in order for our GDP to continue to rise we NEED China and India and these growing consumers to buy our products and services.

Wealth is not a zero-sum game, but like Soros' says a "Theory of Reflexivity" in which each growth bounces stronger back and forth.

 

I disagree. Expasionism is not a word that describes China properly, at least not in the 19th-century western imperalism sense. China has not fought a war with anyone for nearly three decades. Where is your Chinese version of Spanish-American war where the U.S. fought a war with another naval power thousands of miles away from the homeland just to gain colonies?


As someone who lived half of my life in China and half of my life in the West, I do not believe that China will ever overtake the U.S. as the largest economy or the superpower of the world and I think that the West should not overestimate or be paranoid about China's power or its ambition. China still is a very poor country, poorer than the U.S. has ever been perhaps. The main focus of China in the forseeable future is still to find a way to feed its large population.

 

who has more credibility, your claim, such as it it, or econometric models developed by the World Bank and the Rand Corporation ?

can u say the Great Depressions.

 

I admit that I'm no expert on the number side of economics. I'm only speaking from my experiences. The gap between the living standards between the U.S. and China is gigantic. If you want numbers, the current size of the Chinese eonomy is about 1/4 to 1/5 of the U.S. economy and the current size of Chinese population is about 4 to 5 times of the U.S. population.

During the Great Depression, how many people died of starvation? The U.S. government was still rich enough to provide some basic support for its unemployeed citizens. The U.S. economy was mismanaged and collapsed, but the low only felt so low because it followed the feel-good Jazz Age of the 1920's. Remember the U.S. was still by far the largest economy in the world during the world-wide depression of the 1930's. By the U.S. standard China was in a much worse great depression for over 100 years and only recently barely recovered from it.

 

We are talking about two totally seperate issues here. One is China as a world power, even if average Chinese are making 1/3 to 1/2 of what American make, Chine could still have double the national power of the US due to its size(people). The other one is Average standard of living, that one China won't catch the US for the next 100 years.

 

i rest my case !

 

Wealth IS a zero-sum game. I can't honestly fathom why anyone actually believes that crap, it's a load of bull****. Wealth is created using energy, which is limited; it's a direct result of being able to exploit an ever larger variety and amount of resources. Right now we're limited by what we can mine out of the earth; eventually we will run out of that and have to begin looking elsewhere.

 

Don't be so naive. China has fallen behind its own goal of reducing emissions, to the extent that it'll take a Herculean effort to turn it around.

Per capita emissions/energy usage is up. They've successfully increased forest coverage in China... by importing lumber from abroad, especially Canada and SE Asia. So who knows, in 50 years China might have lush forests with SE Asia bare.

It's not the imperialist colonization that the tool SamFisher suggests but viewed holistically, China really hasn't contributed as much to global forest coverage as first thought.

And I can't believe anybody would actually support the usage of goal as central to Chinese energy policy. I understand the necessity of it, but the use of coal is the blight of Chinese society and its environment.

 

^ LOL see? It's not imperialism until the PRC netizens start breaking out the "It's OUR TURN for manifest destiny, You should just have to give everything back to native americans!" argument which is sure to come out soon....

 

I don't trust anything the rand corporation says. Anyway you can't just project numbers and forget about the social situation there. I don't know if you have ever been to china or india, but there is a lot of poverty there. Maybe not as much in china as in india, but there is a lot. Eventually there will be large scale class conflicts if their economies continue the way they have been.

 

instead u would rather bury your head in the sand. ​

have u been to the 5th ward in New Orleans, before Katrina ? have u been to Newark, Oakland, Compton / Watts, East St. Louis, So Chicago, Harlem, etc. ?????

as if there have been no class conflicts / riots in America

 

LOL what? Sammy Fisher in typical fashion blurted out a couple of mouth farts, again?

China is paying for its energy, resource and imports, fair and square, at market prices. It didn't sail a flotilla of ironclads up the coast of Africa saying "my way or else."

The only imperialism is my ownage of your ass in every argument.

 

I think I've started that argument at one point but I don't consider my self a PRC netizens. I'm a liberal realist that think the world should ran by logics and numbers.

Logic and numbers tells us that the current China is too big and too powerful to be bullied, bribed, pressured to change unless its populist believe a change in policy is worthy. Instead, one should look to find ways to compromise and influence with China in other means.

 

Do you know what the Rand Corporation is?


If you are comparing Compton to places in India then you have not witnessed true poverty. You don't have hundreds of kids flocking to you begging for food. You don't have a massive number of kids starving.

I am not saying that the US is fine and dandy, but I don't think you or most people realize how good you have it in this country.

 

I dont think China will have much of a choice. It will have to compete with the West for resources (kinda like the cold war)for a while and will have to match tactics.

I do agree that china's domination mindset is nothing like the west... yet.

 

i know what it is, the question is do you know ?

have you been to India ?

 

100% agreed. you can't make **** with nothing.

 

Then you should know know rand makes up crap to rile people into being scared. They want to say watch out the Chinese will take over to cause fear. I think china might pass the US some day, but this sounds more like a fear tactic.

I have been to india and parts of south east asia.