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China challenges US ships

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Those are analogies. In my initial reply to Wnes though that isn't an analogy but a straight up discussion of the actual case and not trying to draw an analogy.
    It is very important as who decides I can stand in disputed territory is critical. If one of my neighbors likes me and doesn't care that I stand in the disputed territory if he actually has the right to that territory then he is in the right to let me stand there. The problem is that the territory is in dispute so it is critical to determine who actually has the right to enforce what's going on there.

    You might consider this word play but this is vital to understanding why these issues are important.
     
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    KingCheetah makes all americans proud. He is one of the great patriots of our time - his research on the Kowloon Tether Project will be invaluable to our ongoing economic recovery.
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    Looking at Wnes' map I am willing to concede that the ship was most likely in waters that were clearly PRC EEZ so I agree that this is a tangent.

    My last word on the tangent though is that who actually controls a disputed territory is critical in regard to allowing a third party to operate there.
     
  4. yeo

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    LOL, couldn't resist this one. "Winning" as in "please buy our T-bonds to save our bankrupt behind"? This back-and-forth game between China and US is going to be around for a LONG time. Only fools brag about winning at such an early stage.

    Anyway, I am here to contribute this article which I think explains the matter pretty well.

    Naval Confrontation: China Pushing U.S. Further Away From Its Territory
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    :rolleyes:

    Can we have a thread on Chinese issues without the ridiculous baiting?
     
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    ^ oh please, don't tell me that you too now believe Nonya dishes are a cultural flashpoint.
     
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    Hainan Chicken isn't Nonya since Hainan isn't part of the Straits of Malacca and the Hainanese aren't Peranakan.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Geographically and historically that's true, and I thought about that, but since the dish itself is served alongside other Nonya specialties in the hawker centres I decided it belonged in the Nonya culinary taxonomy, which is arguable.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    That is where you fail my culinary Padawan. If that is your basis then mutabark would be nonya since it is also served alongside Nonya food in hawker centres.
     
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    Is there a favorites list on here? I would like to add you and KingCheetah for your pure awesomeness

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  11. SamFisher

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    That is true. However, I think the straits Chinese have made the dish sufficiently their own though so as to be able to make a tangible claim of ownership (sort of like "Chicago-Style Pizza" belonging to Chicago rather than Italy).
     
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    This thread is full of win. The PRC-bot baiting is absolutely hysterical. I can't believe it's so effective... :)
     
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    Now this becomes not a joke, but a pity.

     
  14. SamFisher

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    As Mr. T would say, I pity Du Fu!*

    *and his thatched cottage, one of the major tourist attractions of Chengdu, As Deng once said, to have not visited Du Fu's thatched cottage is to have not visited Chengdu.
     
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    Trust that Hainan and the Spratly Island group is not forgotten.
     
  16. rocketsjudoka

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    And as you note they call it "Chicago Style Pizza". Whereas Hainanese Chicken Rice is still called "Hainanese Chicken Rice."

    A better analogy would be General Tso's Chicken which is pretty much now exclusively American. Although in the case of Hainanese Chicken Rice the Straits Chinese make it the same way as the Hainanese.

    Since we are on a food tangent and I'm wasting time waiting for some paint to dry. FYI the Peranakan / Nonya didn't originally make Hainanese Chicken Rice or bring it with them. They are descendents of the Chinese that settled the Straits of Malacca from Admiral Cheng Ho's expeditions. The Straits Chinese that brought Hainanese Chicken Rice were later settlers with many coming from Hainan itself.
     
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    Viets? LOL, that explains a lot.
     
  18. SamFisher

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    The Spratlys, or as I call them by their rightful name, Kepulauan Spratly, present a couple of problems:

    1) Physical -the islands' surface area is only a small number of total hectares. Accordingly the tow-rope to landmass ratio is way, way higher than in the KTP (Kowloon Tether Project) and incredibly expensive, even against the backdrop of the economic stimulus.

    2) Political - we wouldn't want to disrupt relations with the Sultanate of Brunei which has a very good claim to the islands. They are not the kind of characters you want to mess around with, notice how the US Navy never has the gall to follow any of their ships around. Those guys are no joke.
     
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    LOL @ the who's-who of east-Texas blowhards (doesn't matter what cloaks they are under) showed up in this thread.

    Judoka, glad you admit grudgingly there exist no "international waters" at the location and/or in the vicinity of the scuffle.

    BTW, that is not my map. Can't take credit for the work done by international body. In case you still have doubts about whether the high seas boundaries are delineated by EEZs, here is another one to help you out:

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Exclusive_Economic_Zones_Nulles.png
     
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    Holy **** I'm dying over here. :D :D
     

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