He had 3 3-pointers which gave him an effective field goal percentage of 50%. That's very good. He also had 6 assists to go along with 1 turnover.
http://www.freep.com/sports/pistons/pcorn7_20040207.htm Corliss Williamson might be going to the Bulls in a salary cap move by Detroit. Hinrich, Tyson, and Corliss works cap-wise for Steve.
Van Gundy is really high on Francis too, maybe we should trade for him. Oh wait, we already have him!! YAY! Tyson looks lost out there, and Hinrich is good, but he's no Franchise. I loved watching Francis bully Hinrich around, even the slightest fake made Hinrich jump a couple feet back.
Chandler is damaged goods. He's so skinny and doesn't look like he's gained a pound since coming into the league. What would be great is simply Hinrich/ERob and the bulls #1 for Steve. There are some good PFs coming out of the draft this next year. Howard or Okafor anyone?
Deuce, That's why they should act fast. If they wait too long (next year), then Hinrich will improve more and more and they will not want to make the trade. Howyalikemenow, True, Hinrich is not a Francis. But Hinrich is a Parker, Bibby, or Nash (don't forget about a players disposition and smarts).
DavidS, Exactly....that is why I have been pining for the Rocks to get Ridnour from Seattle...same player lower profile than Hinrich....I would take either. DD
What if we kept Francis and got a guy like that...then Francis could play the majority of the time at SG...and Mobley would have to be 6th man...I still think Mobley would be the perfect 6th man...instant offense. What about being 6th man a few times in a row, wouldn't that give him more of a public profile than being one of many good SG's? He should look at it that way. Bobby Jackson could be a starter, but he has a much higher profile because he is such a good 6th man.
Yes, I've looked at Lopez, Arryoy, Ridnour and Hinrich...and I'd say that Ridnour and Lopez are the lowest profile of the four. Then, Arryoy, and then Hinrich (has the most upside). If we went for Ridnour, I'd expect more "role players" in return (two others and a draft pick). As far as Hinrich, I'd just take Channdler in the deal (maybe they'd thrown in a 2nd rounder too. But wont matter). No matter who we'd go for, all of them would have to know how to shoot from the outside (like MacBeth said), distribute, and be savvy (unwavering disposition under pressure). I believe the outside shooting (40% from 3) will make up for the lack of athetlic ablity that we are giving up in Francis. Although, we aren't talking about slow scrubs. They are fast too. Just not as athletic as SF.
Sir Jackie Chiles, that would be a perfect situation. But how is that possible? How do we get a very good PG, move SF to the SG, send Mobley to the bench without making a trade first to get that "good PG?" I've always felt that Mobley was a 6th man. And you are completely correct on Bobby Jackson. That's why depth is soooo important. And Mobley has thrived coming off the bench before; a real weapon! If the things you talk about start to happen (keep Francis too; not likely), then we'd be that much closer to a real ELITE TEAM. And only a PF away from a 60+ win team. Consistently 60+ wins. P.S. Losing Eddie Griffen really set us back a couple years.
Well, obviously I'm all for it. If we could get Hinrich and the Bulls 1st, with s acontract...say an AD...that would be ok. If we could add a player and have them include Chandler, I'd be all over it like stink on a skunk. This trade works... Steve Francis, Mo Taylor, to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich, Tyson Chandler, Jerome Williams, Eddie Robinson, Chicago's 1st. Lineup this year: C) Yao, Cato PF) Chandler, Williams SF) Jackson, Griffin, Boki SG) Mobley, Piatkowski PG) Hinrich, Jackson After next year...add a Deng or similar at SF, or a Okafor, Howard etc. at PF. I would trade Mobley after this, and possibly move Chandler on if we get an Okafor, etc. Chandler can play sf, but it might be better to parlay his value for a top pick and get both an Okafor and a Deng/Smith, or with Mobley for a pick and a good young sg/sf like Maggette, etc. This would be nice: Trade as above, and then: Chandler, Mobley, and Robinson to Miami for Wade, Butler, Jones, and their pick and a future. Move Boki, maybe Butler for futures. Then we'd have: C) Yao, Cato PF) (Okafor/Howard)/Williams SF) Jackson/(Deng/mith/Chirialev/Iugodada/Warrick)/Butler(?) PG) Hinrich/Jackson SG) Wade/Jones Miami has said it will move Butler just to move Jones, so that's a wash...they get Chandler and Mobley for their 1sts and Wade...Sounds reasonable. Odom and Chandler make a superior frontcourt for them in the future, and Mobes is a nice scorer.
im aganist moving steve to SG. It dosent seem like he is a good spot up shooter. He needs to create in order to score.
I do not think Chicago is looking to deal Hinrich, but if a deal were to be brokered between these teams, I think the Rockets would come up on the short end of the spectrum in terms of short range value. Again, I do not think the Bulls are wanting to deal Hinrich, but if a deal were to come to fruition, I feel that Houston would have to take back some contracts. It is all relative to each party as to where their team goals lie, and their forecast of the team's short term and long term potential, but a deal that I would like to see done would be: Antonio Davis Jamal Crawford Kirk Hinrich for Cuttino Mobley Steve Francis Houston would have to take back Davis' large contract and Jamal Crawford, who may be looking for a much larger contract come season's end. Chicago would save money in that they may be able to bypass Crawford wanting more money but still get Mobley in return who has a decent contract with some years left. The deal would essentially be Hinrich for Steve. At that point, it is just a matter of who the Bulls would rather have.
You seem to forget that Francis created that "lie." JVG has only said what Francis has told him--that he was going to the Super Bowl and was talking to JVG while in the parking lot. Francis has acknowledged that he told JVG he was going to the Super Bowl. If you wanna be mad abou some lie being spread about the Franchise, then be mad that Francis felt the need to skip the flight then lie about it. I'm just waiting for Francis to tell the next version of his story.
"You got to be kidding. Why do you want to pick up AD's contract?" I don't think he WANTS to pick up AD's contract but feels it would be necessary to make the deal work. Heaven forbid someone try to propose a realistic trade that isn't terribly lop-sided in our favor.
<i>Want</i> isn't the right word to use in that scenario. Crawford & Hinrich are on contracts that are fairly frugal and a more expensive (read: less desirable) contract(s) has to be added to make the deal more equitable to Chicago.
