Who's being harsh. You are the one who just said Francis and Mo' could take us to the championship, totally dismissing Cuttino. Cuttino doesn't have Francis's trade bait. You guys just don't want to make the tough trade. Yeah, KT, Cato, Walt for Shareef! wow, I'd take that.
Playing with words, huh? Now, i didn´t dismiss cuttino. He just wasn´t particularly useful in my intention, which was to compare Francis to Payton, as i made clear. And you still didn´t answer my question hp. Just to set the record straight: i have the highest amount of respect for you and i never witnessed anyone break down and analyze a game like you regularly do on this board. so, don´t disappoint me Oh, and i thought that Dream for ´Reef was a tough trade, you soulless b*stard ------------------ "I have posted so much that what I say must be true" [This message has been edited by Thanos (edited January 09, 2001).]
darn, you hit my weak spot. yes I was kidding. Nobody would make that trade "#1 for Francis" anyhow if those big-time centers are out there like we hear. They usually take their chances with the big-time center. And I'm sure a lot would agree that I do "break down" a lot when "analyzing games". lol! [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited January 09, 2001).]
I don't mean to rehash the whole Fizer argument, BUT Fizer has started 5 NBA games this season, and he started those games at PF with Brand starting at C. Fizer shot 28% (7.4ppg) from the field and had 25 rebounds (5rpg) in those 5 games while playing 30 minutes per game. It would be fair to say that the Bulls are the worst team in the league? And Fizer cannot cement a starting spot in his "preferred" position on that team? (Elton Brand scored 24ppg on 52% shooting and hauled in 12rpg while starting at C) And how does Fizer have the "potential" to snare 10 boards per game in the NBA? Based on past performances (what I saw of him at college) he won't - in fact even that stats support that assertion with him pulling down around 7 a game at college (compared to KT's 10 per) Oh well, let's see how Marcus' storybook career continues, I wouldn't trade KT for him, but I'm not the Rockets and they probably know better than any of us, let's see what they do ------------------
The Bulls can only get away with Brand at center against a few select teams. You can't do it on a regular basis or you'll get killed, so they don't. And you don't write off a player after he's been given 5 chances to start (not to you Nueg- to whoever was saying Fizer sucks). You can see Jason Collier and Mo Taylor as examples of why to be PATIENT. ------------------ President of the Jason Collier and Mo Taylor fan club! Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
The rockets can't trade their draft pick this year because of obligations to Vancouver according to the front page. It would be Vancouver trading the rocket's pick to Chicago in a three way deal with Chicago assuming the rockets make the playoffs. ------------------ As the wise Ewok philosopher, Logray, once said, "yub yub"
"And how does Fizer have the "potential" to snare 10 boards per game in the NBA? Based on past performances (what I saw of him at college) he won't - in fact even that stats support that assertion with him pulling down around 7 a game at college (compared to KT's 10 per)" B/c you dont just start looking at stats when you make evaluations on a player's pro potential. You have to assess the situation the player is in. Fizer had a 4 very small players surrounding him, 6-4 and less. Teams would basically put several defenders on him due to the zone allowed in the college game and this would make it difficult to rip down double digit boards. If Fizer had a little more size surrounding him, the defense wouldnt have been so concentrated on him. The reason I feel he will develop into a double digit rebounder is b/c he is a very active hard worker around the glass and has an excellent set of hands along with having a pretty quick jumping ability. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
Not to give too much credence to this thread, but does anyone know of the reason---or the official excuse---that Fizer was benched tonight? (He's in street clothes. Maybe I'll hear the "why" from the announcers; I just turned on the game.) ------------------
Wishful thinking. ------------------ As the wise Ewok philosopher, Logray, once said, "yub yub" [This message has been edited by Joe Joe (edited January 10, 2001).]
Guys, While the draft is important, it is not all that vital to a winning team. Look at the Rockets makeup from their 2 champoinship years. Dream - Draft OT - Trade Horry - Draft K Smith- Trade Maxwell - Trade Elie - Trade Drexler -Trade Cassell - Draft So you see, you need a good mixture of both. I am a firm believer that chemistry is the most important aspect to winning basketball. If everyone knows their roles, and (this is the key part) ACCEPTS their role, then you have over half the battle won. I think the Rockets lack some inside muscle, will Fizer provide that? Maybe, maybe not, but we know that KT does not. I would think about the trade, as I think very highly of Fizer, but would not be too dissappointed to keep KT. DaDakota ------------------ If Mankind evolved from Monkeys and Apes, then why are there still Monkeys and apes?
Well, everyone makes good points about Fizer. I'm one of those who feels that Fizer will become a good to great NBA player. Of the "Barkley clones" that have entered the league over the past few years (LJ, Wiliamson, Brand to some extent, KT, etc.), Fizer is the one whose most similar to Barkley, at least athletically. I think he's more of a natural shooter than Barkley and more willing defender, while Barkley was at another level in terms of rebounding and charisma. Neither, due to size limitations, has what you would call a complete post game, and were/will be successful because of their skill level and explosiveness. That's why I, like several on this board, welcome a KT for Fizer swap. Fizer has more upside and more tools. It would be hard to loose KT, granted, but Fizer looks to become a more well-rounded player. Fizer isn't the rebounder that KT is, but he's a better dribbler and creater, is as good a passer, has a quicker first step, and plays with a little more intensity and nastiness than KT. ------------------ "ON-BEE-TAH-BULL!!", Hakeem Abdul Olajuwon, alumnus, University of Houston
