That would seem to make sense- 2 technically separate transactions (Mutumbo for our TE to us, Pike to them for a portion of our TE back.) Hinrich is a crackpipe dream. Forget about him. The Bulls do have 7 big men under contract in Curry, Chandler, Davis, Mutumbo, Harrington, Trybanski, and Shirley. In addition, they have an inordinate amount of SFs (Deng, Robinson, Jefferies, Pippen) and PGs (Hinrich, Duhon, Williams, Pargo plus Gordon). Gordon is the closest thing to a 2 guard on their roster. They have 15 contracts right now, and that's before signing Duhon and/or Linton Johnson. Relieving themselves of a big man and a point guard (Mutumbo, Frank Williams) for a 2 guard with a specific set of skills like Pike would save them about 2.75 mill. Note: Yes, both Mutumbo and Frank Williams can be traded to us without much regard for the 60 day rule regarding a player being traded multiple times. They were originally traded under the Assigned Player Exception. With us, the assumption is they will be traded using the Non-Simultaneous Trade Exception. Different Exceptions, perfectly legal.
Chris Jefferies would be an interesting acquisition if we ended up dealing Pike. He was such a good defender in college...
This is on realgm... Mutumbo Considering Retirement; Paxson in Contact with his Agent There has been speculation that Dikembe Mutombo, 38, would retire if he was traded from New York. Mutombo currently is out of the States, but John Paxson has been in contact with his agent, David Falk. Even though Mutombo is well past his prime as a player, the Bulls feel he would be a good role model and practice partner for center Eddy Curry. The Chicago Tribune is reporting that Mutumbo will likely be traded, as the Bulls have 17 players under contract for this upcoming season.
ahh, i guess that is a better CBA way of looking at it. but it does then break up our TE into two parts, correct? one lasting until a year from the glen rice trade (the original TE minus mutombo's contract) and the other lasting a year from the piatkowski for nothing trade (equaling pike's salary)? or does the simultaneous pike trade not create a new TE and everything just expires a year from the rice trade. and tell me when you're getting sick of this and i've asked one question too many.
Since Mutumbo makes less than $6.9M, then yes we would only be using a part of our TE, so we'd still have the remaining part ($6.9M - Mutumbo salary). But it's still all part of the same non-simultaneous trade, so the remaining part of the TE would still expire on Sept. 30th. As far as creating an additional TE for Chicago, it depends on a couple of things. 1) Chicago can only be trading a single player in the deal. So, if say Frank Williams is also included, then Chicago wouldn't receive a TE, even if they take back alot less salary. 2) If Chicago took back less salary than they had to ( 85% of Mutumbo's salary) and they were trading a single player, then yes they could receive a TE. I suppose that we could receive a TE for Piatkowski, but again it would be pretty small.
ok so it would be considered separate and give us a TE equal to his salary (2.75M?) and it would now last for a whole year after this trade (kind of extending a fraction of the current TE longer while the rest expires sept 30th). of course, like you said, 2.75 is pretty small and not nearly as useful as a TE that exceeds the MLE. but i just like knowing which loopholes and details do and don't exist in the CBA so i don't look stupid talking about it later.
Someone said that Mutombo couldn't play more then 10 minutes per game at this stage of his career, that is crazy. Mutombo can log 20 to 25 quality minutes. Dikembe probably is threatening to retire instead of being stuck in Chicago, but if the Rockets could trade for him, he would probably continue to play. Mutombo would be the perfect back-up for Yao and add him and a PG like Daniels, and the Rockets are rock solid.
I don't even think Mutombo would be called upon to play all the backup minutes. There will be times when teams go to small ball. When they do, we can as well.
Its perfect. A proven veteran to backup Yao. The only downside is that they are both slow...but who really cares at center? In the rare case where we get small-balled to death, we'll stick in MoT and JHoward at 4/5.
You must not have read my whole post...I mentioned Mutombo's Knick's contract. You've added a player that wasn't in the CHi article to make the $ work. Mutombo for Pike does not work capwise without adding other contracts.
If there is a way we could get Frank Williams that would be awesome. There is no way we are getting Hinrich.
What are we split on? Best I can tell, Gater simply said that Mutumbo for Pike straight up doesn't work. I said Mutumbo for Pike and part of the TE works. Those are two different trades, I don't see the conflict.
Clarence Weatherspoon is a hard nosed player who accepted a fat contract that was offered to him. That's a smart business decision and I am sure that Baqui99 would have taken the money had it been offered to him. Baqui99's comments remind me of this idiot that I used to know back at Dell.
Given we already have Gaines plus possible this years 2nd rounder, the last thing we need is another PG filling a roster spot who isn't ready to play but who might pan out (Frank Williams). Frank Williams is about the only other PG in the NBA who shoots worse than Gaines. Damon Jones, Mike James, and yes, even Charlie Ward, make much better options than Frank Williams. Mutumbo for the TE w or w/o Pike included, that I am mostly for. The only drawback is it gives us less flexibility to bring in a proven 1 to share the load with Lue, and preferrably start. It would leave us only with the MLE and 1.6 exemption to play around with, and Ward is about the only FA PG left I can think of where "solid potential starter" or "proven solid back-up" could remotely be used with.
Paxson is working with David Falk, Dikembe Mutombo's agent, to accommodate the veteran center's wishes to play for a winning organization. Houston has interest in Mutombo, and the Bulls have had talks about acquiring veteran swingman Eric Piatkowski. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...bulls,1,1394945.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/sports_story.asp?intid=3820665 Bulls will try to find new home for Mutombo By Mike McGraw Daily Herald Sports Writer Posted Saturday, August 07, 2004 The Bulls will attempt to trade newly acquired center Dikembe Mutombo to a team of his choice, but the options are limited. In return, the Bulls need a tall shooting guard to help compensate for the loss of 6-foot-5 guard Jamal Crawford. Most players who fit the description and are available for trade make far less than Mutombo's $4.5 million salary. "We're going to try to accommodate him if we can," Bulls general manager John Paxson said. "But we're going to do what's best for us. If something works out, great. If not, then we'll try to convince him that this place is going to be all right for him, that there's a role he'll be able to play here effectively." Mutombo is out of the country, but Paxson was given some trade suggestions by David Falk, the agent for the 38-year-old center. The best solution is Houston, which has no backup center for Yao Ming and an abundance of shooting guards. Eric Piatkowski makes $2.75 million next season, and the Rockets have a trade exception that might cover the difference. The Bulls acquired Mutombo, Othella Harrington, Frank Williams and Cezary Trybanski for Crawford and Jerome Williams on Thursday. The Bulls' motive for the trade was to save $15 million in future salaries and have the chance to create some salary-cap space in 2006. Harrington was at the Berto Center on Friday for a physical exam. Williams, a Peoria native and former Illinois guard, is expected to be in town next week. Trybanski is with the Polish national team. Harrington (career 8.1 points, 5.0 rebounds) will fill in at power forward for Jerome Williams. The 7-foot-2 Trybanski, who has scored 15 points in two NBA seasons, will come to training camp but appears to be a longshot to make the final roster. The Bulls are curious to see what Frank Williams can do. Once thought to be a potential lottery pick, Williams saw little playing time in his first two NBA seasons. The Bulls plan to use him at shooting guard, which has always seemed to be his natural position since his high-scoring days at Peoria Manual High School. "Frank's going to have to come in and prove himself," Paxson said. "The knock on Frank has been he's taken some possessions off, taken some quarters off, doesn't always bring that attitude of intensity. When you don't bring that in this profession, you're going to have trouble." Williams had a five-game stretch in late December when he averaged 13.2 points and 5.4 assists, but then he went down with an injury, and by the time he came back, the Knicks had traded for Stephon Marbury. Paxson was disappointed in Crawford's claim that the Bulls never appreciated him during his four seasons with the team, citing three consecutive years of drafting a player at his position - Jay Williams, Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon. "I think that's really unfair," Paxson said. "We made a trade in November (with Toronto) that really showed we had confidence in him. This business is about competition. I feel a little badly that he felt this way." Paxson also said the Bulls will hold training camp at the Berto Center this fall and continue searching for a suitable out-of-town site to use next year.
