[Chicago Gonna Chicago] Teen murdered on family's front porch

Wonk Blogoor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids

From Pew Research

From Bureau of Justice Stats

..but that's not disproportionate relative to incarceration rates or really to your argument.

 

....that's why this is important too




Take a look at that chart and then read this quote, from the article you posted

That's almost half the average for white families and it's "only the very wealthiest black youth"

On top of that, that study just talks about who ends up going to jail and I guess it just assumes that all groups commit crimes at the same rate, but that's not reality. When you are more specific and talk about drug related crime, you can get similar rates, but looking at the overall picture it doesn't work.

One is proportionate in relation to the overall population and the other is clear evidence of racism by black people against black people....you know, just like you think other things are clear evidence of racism when you find a difference in representation.

 

Yep.... "Only the very wealthiest". Not the moderately wealthy...

From my link:



So the correlation between wealth is even skewed as a black person would need to be in the highest decile of wealth to get the same outcome as a white person of modest wealth. You are comparing household wealth while my link compares wealth among deciles which is a much better comparison.

This was the conclusion:

LOL. Keep spinning. Clearly white on white crime isn't significantly different that black on black crime like you tried to claim.

 

Not sure why statistics are being thrown around by either side of the debate. There is no real debate, black people are more likely to be poor than white people. That cannot be disputed. We can argue about why that is the case.

Also as the number of black men in prison has increased, the crime rate in the United States. Of course there is more to the story because incarceration overall has increased over the last 20 years.

The Crime Bill passed approximately 20 years ago did exactly what it was designed to do and is one of the most successful acts of legislation in decades. Violent crime and homicides have fallen to all time lows. Law abiding people are substantially safer than in the past. Predominantly minority neighborhoods have seen the greatest improvement in safety. It isn't as safe as it needs to be, and there remain inequality for the poor and blacks; but it is better.

 

I think this is another example of you failing to read or understand what I just told you. the "richest" tier in this study for black people was still almost half the wealth of the AVERAGE for white families.

When it comes to wealth, the top tier for black families would be a mid to low tier for white families. Unsurprisingly once you start looking at a tier of black families that is sort of close to the average for white families, you get similar incarceration rates....there's many reasons for this being that black families worth $69,000+ are much less likely to be single parent families, they are much less likely to live in high crime areas, they are much less likely to go to poor schools, they are much more likely to be able to afford good attorneys in order to beat cases. Those are your factors that matter.

Again, you can either look for the actual reasons for the discrepancy such as those I've pointed out to you or you can foolishly and lazily blame racism.

That's not spin, you are the one talking about things being proportional.....well black people attack 13% of the population 63% of the time, it's clear who they are intending to victimize. No other group targets black people like that and saying that white people targeting 63% of the population 56% of the time isn't really helping your case.

Either these things matter, or they don't. Is disproportionate targeting a sign or racism or is it not?

 

Sweetheart....

Then why are the poor white kids jailed less than their richer black counterparts? That's the whole point of the article..... Hell it's the title... The whole article is arguing against what you are suggesting.... That socioeconomic factors play less of a role than thought.

No I said it is a significant factor. You heard "racism" and got all defensive...

What?

Try again, more coherently please. What exactly is your point about black on black crime? Seems like 63% of population is larger than 13% of the population.... So whites attack more people?

Huh?

 

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They are not controlling for criminality. Black people are about seven times as likely to commit a violent crime (the kind of thing you get sent to prison for) as compared to white people. If you reduce all of the black columns to 1/7th their current size, they would look a lot more in line with the white chart. It isn't like some racist just randomly picks who goes to prison and chooses black people disproportionately, you go to prison because you have been convicted of a serious crime.

 

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Dwyane Wade's cousin shot, killed in Chiraq

CHICAGO, IL -- Nykea Aldridge, cousin of Chicago Bulls star Dwyane Wade, was shot and killed by crossfire Friday afternoon in Chicago's Parkway Gardens neighborhood.

Police said Aldridge was walking from the Dulles School of Excellence around 3:30 p.m. in the 6300-block of Calumet when two men approached another man in the vicinity and opened fire.

Aldridge, 32, was struck in the head and arm by crossfire. She was taken to Stroger Hospital where she was pronounced dead.

Family members, including Wade's mother, Pastor Jolinda Wade, to speak about Adlridge. Pastor Wade held her sobbing sister close the entire time.

"Just sat up on a panel yesterday, The Undefeated, talking about the violence that's going on within our city of Chicago, never knowing that the next day we would be the ones that would be actually living and experiencing it," Pastor Wade said.

Investigators said she was an innocent bystander and not the intended target.

A relative took custody of the child, police said. The child is unharmed.

Two people are being questioned by police. The shooting remains under investigation.

 

This is taking a very biased spin on these studies.

The WSU study used laser tag basically - there are serious flaws with that.

The Harvard study found massive bias in treating blacks like criminals. It basically came to the conclusion that once treated like a criminal, you are equally likely to be shot whether black or white. But you are more likely to be abused and treated like a criminal if you are black. It's nice how this video leaves that out.

Anyone who thinks the police are not racially biased have their heads in the sand

 

It's not gun violence, it's thug violence

 

Fixed it for you.

 

This is great. Every BLM idiots should watch this

 

Wade's cousin who was murdered ...yet again proves that you are MORE likely to get killed walking with your family in Chicago, than a rogue cop. Such is the sad state of affair in our nation...

 

You are so self-absorbed with the color of your skin...its sickening. Same story different day... Does the color of bread offend you? Im worried you'd call me a racist if I tell you that I like "white" bread more than brown/wheat bread...

 

Over half of black children are fatherless. Thats the real problem

 

Chicago Tribune: 10 shootings a day: Complex causes of Chicago's spiking violence

To understand Chicago's violence, start at Kostner Avenue and Monroe Street and walk west up a one-way stretch of graystones and brick two-flats. There on a boarded-up front door you'll see the red stain of gang graffiti. On the cracked sidewalk below lies an empty heroin baggie. Hardened young men sit on a porch.

This single block on the West Side — part of the Harrison police district — has been the scene of at least six shootings so far this year. A masked gunman shot a teen in the stomach. A father delivering groceries to his daughter was shot before he could escape gunfire. And in late June, police again unspooled the yellow crime scene tape in the alley behind the block after a teen was fatally shot in the head.

As Chicago heads into the often violent July Fourth weekend, these kinds of stories are all too common in pockets of the West and South sides. At the halfway point of the year, homicides have jumped by 49 percent citywide to 312 through Tuesday, reaching levels unseen since the late 1990s. Shooting incidents have risen by even more, marking the third consecutive year of double-digit increases.

While it doesn't rank as the nation's murder capital on a per-capita basis, Chicago is the runaway leader in the sheer volume of killings and shootings. New York and Los Angeles don't even come close. Through June 19, Chicago had more homicides than those two larger cities combined, records show. The two combined had fewer than 1,000 shooting victims during that same period, while Chicago by Tuesday topped 1,900 — about 10 a day.

A closer look at the numbers shows the intractable hold that violence has in some of Chicago's 22 police districts. Two of the city's historically most violent police districts — Harrison and Englewood — account for fully one-fourth of the homicides and shooting incidents.

A complex mix of factors is driving the violence. But much of the bloodshed can be linked to gang conflict over everything from petty disputes to control of drug dealing, as well as the splintering of gangs into smaller cliques fighting over a few blocks at a time and easy access to guns, experts say.
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