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Chemistry - Is it falling apart?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. gah

    gah Member

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    Can't say the same about all the rest of your substantiation but I fully agree with this post.
     
  2. danoman

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    I think we've had these problems for a while now but it wasnt as bad, i think the root of this problem is that we dont have one good cluth player, since we lost carl landry we haven't had anybody to bail us out either in a 3rd quarter scoring drought and at the end of games, BTW teams have finally figured out scola and he now is pretty much a non-factor against good teams in the clutch. I beleive that slowly but surely this takes the wind out of our sail.
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    No they are not, managing people is managing people. Just because they know the situation, does not mean that talking about it all the time in the media is going to help.

    Once you add in that a lot of these players have families and kids, and a move would seriously put a hinderance on their personal lives, you would get what I am saying.

    When you are saying on one hand via twitter and in person smiling "Good job, player X, we really love what you do for our organization"....

    Then when player X comes for a contract extension and is told "Well, go out and get a fair market offer and we will see if we decide to match it"....that makes everything you have said to that player moot, they are smart enough to see through the BS, and it makes them feel like they are not appreciated.

    Some players will handle that ok, but most will have it effect them....even Scola, a professional if ever there was one, said as much last season.

    While you are correct, they understand the business, they are not going to buy in if the organization is not going to buy into them.

    Managing people is not easy, and I think Morey right now is not doing that good of a job at it.

    IMO, he should be less media savvy, and more chemistry aware.

    And here is what you said in that thread you quoted my man:

    http://bbs.clutchfans.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=5113044


    DD
     
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  4. eman

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    I don't know about the team chemistry, but it looks like the fans have about had it.
     
  5. anchel

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    I agree with you, but also consider how difficult it is to do those types of moves in January. Some teams still don't know if they will fight for a playoff spot or not. And if they have been 5-6 years fighting for it and now have a real chance, I can understand that they don't want to risk with a move right now. Other GMs have pieces that are known to be sold, they will wait for better and better offers, until the last day, it's logical.

    I partially agree with you. But if does exist a constant threat of being traded is for a reason. Current team needs a trade, the players know it, everybody knows it. I don't think that's Morey's fault at all. If anything, his fault was to trust in Yao once again. Or the trade for Williams, in this sense. But the whole current situation is messy, and the problems that led to it are difficult to handle in advance.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    They do lack a "Go to" guy, maybe that should be more clearly defined, but again, their offense is scoring the ball well, it is more about a lack of committment to each other on defense that seems to be the problem to me.

    Guys are giving up and running to the offensive end as soon as possible to get the ball.

    We have a lot of guys that want to play offense, but very few who seem to care about defense, and no accountabilty by the coaching staff either.

    Double whammy.

    DD
     
  7. anchel

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    Do you really think he is talking about it all the time? I don't.

    I understand Brooks situation, it must be hard for him, sorry for him. But this is not on Daryl, he does his job.
     
  8. danoman

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    personally i would have been mad if AB would have gotten an 6-8 million deal, he was asking for it way too early, any regular employee in the real world would not ask for a raise before he is due for an evaluation, nba players get evaluated at the end of their contracts unless he is your alpha dog
     
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    We can contribute it to many things. We were just dealt a bad hand the past few years. We invested in Yao and Tracy and when it fell thru (injuries) we didn't have time to rebuild. Unfortunately we're in that era (same as post Olajuwon) when we had no more stars on this team. Only so much we can do.

    Outside of if we can aquire a star (Carmelo/CP3), don't look for a major move/long term contract that would hurt us in the future going forward. We are in a good position (contract wise/money wise) to make moves the next couple of years. Trade the vets while they have value, create more cap space, gain more assets and be ready for the next Tracy McGrady (you know what I mean) to come available. Not sure it's Carmelo. If it is GREAT. If it's not it's time to aquire the best picks we can get and try and strike gold ala OKC.

    IMO, after the dust settles from the new CBA you will see our direction more clearly. Until then im in the play the young guys and trade the vets boat as I feel were a couple years from being any good again any ways.
     
  10. Arun Sharma

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    I agree with DD... I think chemistry is very big issue right now.

    We do have two big holes: Closer and Center position, but still we have enough talent to perform better than what we are.

    It's hard for us to see what's happening behind the closed doors. We can all make guesses what's the problem, but for sure, it seems like a big issue.

    I hope we start clicking.. I just wanna see some good basketball. Wanna see this guys play all out. Try their best.
     
  11. larsv8

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    Chemisty is a myth just like heart.

    Basketball is talent, coaching, effort and synergy.
     
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  12. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Wow - I completely disagree with you.....chemistry is a huge thing it can kill a team or it can lift a team.

    Guys that play together and enjoy playing together are more apt to be successful than those who do not enjoy playing together.

    There are tons of instances of very talented teams not being successful because they simply do not like each other or get along.....

    Chemistry is one of the hardest things to build and to keep.

    Of course you need talent, that is the most important thing but if the talent doesn't like each other or the chemistry is bad, you will fail.

    DD
     
  13. trugoy

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    Miller
    Shane
    Chuck
    JJ
    Scola

    are all old vets who are professional

    2PAT
    Hill
    Ish
    Twill
    CLee
    Budinger

    are all young guys who don't have a lot of sway in the locker room

    Martin is not a leader.

    People that can ruin chemistry on the team are;

    AB
    Lowry

    AB with his sulking on the bench is dangerously close to sparking some sort of locker room issue.

    Lowry was traded from Memphis in part because he created lockerroom issues with Conley.
     
  14. J.R.

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    Daryl Morey on chemistry: Generally, it's overrated. Winning breeds chemistry. We focus first on getting good players and chemistry follows.

    Rockets aren't winning ;)
     
  15. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I think if someone came up with some statistics about chemistry, DM would change his mind. Again, not sure stats oriented folks make the best people managers. I see a lot of flaws in DM's approach to managing people.

    Agreed about the winning, that cures a lot of ills and quiets the chemsitry issues, and they certainly are not winning.

    To me, though the effort is just not the same as even last year....

    DD
     
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    Chemistry is overrrated. Talent is #1. Look at the Heat. Tear down the entire roster and rebuild it from scratch. They are better than they were, last year, with chemistry.
     
  17. Arun Sharma

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    Team is best when guys play for each other.

    I have been watching Portland's games a lot... Just watch them. I can imagine us having a better record them if we played with that much effort, attitude and with that kind of chemistry.
     
  18. larsv8

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    We are all welcome to our opinions.

    Some of the best teams in the past twenty years had guys that absolutely hated each other. Dream and Maxwell, kobe and shaq, Jordan and longer/harper. Rodman and anyone.

    Chemistry is merely a basketball buzz word.
     
  19. Kam

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    The threat of being traded worries them. These guys really like Houston a lot or something.


    I'll see how they play after the deadline.
     
  20. Shaud

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    Portland is better than Houston right now with who is on the floor. LaMarcus Aldridge has turned into a beast.

    Andre Miller is a solid PG who I think is better than Lowry and Brooks.

    Batum is highly thought of around the league.

    They just lost Camby but he was their legit Center something we don't have.
     

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