Edit: Wow, and I just said the same thing I said when this thread was posted months ago. Thought this thread sounded familiar...
Cheaters get what they have coming eventually, always. You cannot float by on smoke and mirrors your whole life.
Is it almost ethical? Among people with character and long term goals... no. Among cheaters? Probably. This issue to me is debatable, but the followup of someone looking to get over without putting work in on their own hoping for a better grade and calling the profs lazy made me laugh. This also made me laugh. What a copout. "Asking for help" and "Massive cheating" are two different things, obviously. Asking for help implies said person is doing the work required but needs guidance. Massive cheating implies doing nothing on your own, not learning anything, and breaking rules to get a grade and credit and a diploma without having put the effort in to achieve said success.
It's funny because I'm at orientation right now, and there was a placement exam being taken for Math yesterday... I could see a lot of people cheating, I wasn't cheating on it lol.. It was too easy to have to cheat on it, but yeah that's my first college "test" experience I guess, and I see what you mean.
LOL what a stupid thing to do cheating on an assessment/vocational test that is like cheating yourself, not the system
I guess I just don't get it. When you cheat on a test, aren't you basically conceding that you're too lazy and stupid to do well on it on your own? I mean, I've admitted on here before that I'm not the hardest working student out there, you know, they say you should commit two hours of studying to every hour of lecture, and I think that's a load of crap. But I feel like to cheat on a test or to plagiarize a paper, that's like insulting your own intelligence. I dunno, I don't really care if other people do it, but I can't say I think too highly of their intelligence (though I'm often impressed by their resourcefulness).
Is so easy to Cheat for people now with these ONLINE CLASS. Some international students pay me $400 each to take their government 1 & 2 at HCC online. Is so easy .... when the teacher post the test online. You dont even need to read the book. Just need a computer and "google & wiki" to find the answers. part-time job.
The worst instance of "cheating" that I saw was in a graduate level course in urban history. The prof was a brilliant young fellow who allowed a rediculously hot female student to sleep with him towards the end of the term. She was trying, very hard, to get an A in the class. The chick got a B. How do I know all about it? I was sleeping with the chick myself, and she wasn't the least bit shy about telling me her strategy. The odd thing was that it didn't bother me. I really enjoyed the class and the 3 of us hung out together quite a lot. There was no "threesome," but it was a most interesting time. Oh, and I got an A.
please stop acting like you dont understand. If you don't, you are either r****ded or living in some kind of fantasy world completely disconnected from reality. People cheat for many reasons. They are not conceding anything. Maybe they didnt want to study. Maybe they dont care. Maybe life is not as simple as the hilarious self-righteous kings of academia that populate this thread believe. The only thing yall have gotten right is that eventually those cheaters are going to "get whats coming". Or not. There are plenty of brilliant people out there that didn't put effort into school and they keep on living their lives as crazy intelligent people able to do whatever they want. Of course there are plenty of losers that cheat and it catches up to them. Being so smug about your idealistic morals and the shock and awe of cheating in school is way more annoying than any of those kids trying to copy my scantron. People cheating and taking shortcuts is a part of life you should probably get used to considering its presence in almost all human endeavors.
Oh give me a break. We're talking about undergrad classes here. They're generally not that hard and you pay money for it. If you've made it to college, you presumably have some level of ability, such that you can get by without cheating. And if the subject matter is so difficult for you that you can't get by without programming answers into your cell phone or smuggling in a cheat sheet, you probably chose the wrong concentration. I'm not saying that in a judgmental way, I know a lot of people who were really excited about a major but then found out they just couldn't handle the material. But instead of cheating, they switched majors. Nobody freaking wants to study. You do it to avoid embarrassing yourself. If you really don't care, why are you even bothering in the first place? I don't think a lack of caring is the issue, because obviously they at least care about their grade. You're right, they probably don't care about how they get it, and our education system is probably at fault for that. I just think it's hard to get caught up with that sort of thing. Does and A- really tell you something about a student that a B+ doesn't? Does it really give someone that much of an ego boost? Expound. I said people cheat because they don't think that they can get by on their own, or because they were too lazy to put in the work. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that seems to be the case more often than not. We don't have specific examples to go by, so I'm using generalizations. I'm not deny this. Plenty of successful people were lazy students. I don't recall anyone saying that you can't be successful if you're a lazy student. I'm a lazy student, I'm not judging anyone. But how does one's ego not take a hit? I'm not shocked when it happens, and I realize it's a way of life. I'm pretty sure everyone else who's contributed to this thread does too. But we're talking about a very specific example here, undergrad classes. It seems like the people who cheat put as much effort into it as it would take them to just sit down and study for a couple hours. I'm not advocating people be the neurotic biology major who spends most of their college career in the library (though if that's what you need to do, that's fine). But c'mon, I've seen people cheat on tests in a sociology 101 class. I can't roll my eyes at them without being labeled smug and out of touch with reality? Please.
In Graduate school, Engineering. The cheating was rampant among the Indian students. They would talk to each other in their language during the test when the proff was out of the room (which was pretty frequently). Sometimes the proff would come in and catch them talking but would do absolutely nothing. i don't know if the fact they were not speaking English through him off or what but it was quite astonishing sometimes. About 80% of the class was usually Indian students. Though not all of them cheated but us black, white and asian (chinese, etc) students would be like what the F^&k!
when you say things like "When you cheat on a test, aren't you basically conceding that you're too lazy and stupid to do well on it on your own?" Not only does it sound silly, it comes off as incredibly smug. "you do it [study] to avoid embarrassing yourself"... "How does ones ego not take a hit?" Normal people don't study to avoid embarrassing themselves. Promise. "I can't roll my eyes at them without being labeled smug and out of touch with reality?" roll your eyes all you want man. when you take the time to write on the internet about how unfathomable it is to cheat on what you perceive to be an easy test and how its just so wacky that people take advantage of ignorant teachers, your smug rating indeed approaches obnoxious.
ROFL my cousin who's Indian said the exact same thing. At his school 95% of the Indian kids are from Andhra Pradesh so they all speak telugu. (my cousin is from Bombay so he doesnt speak it) Anyway, they'd all just openly talk in telugu during exams. My cousin had the same reaction as you, as did I.
That sounds like exactly what you are advocating. People cheat on sociology not because it's arduous, but because its insufferable. "lol, like why can't ev1 just study hard n b honest lyke me?!1" Umm, you must not know the same types of people I'm surrounded by. People like you make me want to cheat.
