Not true, in most vocations you get to use notes, a book, company policies, common practices, etc, etc to help push you along. The cheater may not be as knowledgeable as the "learned" person but they will get by, and they will cheat/bs again. If one witnesses it then that person should turn them. This is a conditional statement, dependent on what they are cheating on. Examples: The grad school higher learning arguments, they are all dependent upon the conditions of the school. If the entire class gets together to work on individual assignments then reporting it to a Prof. will make you look like a nitwit because the Prof already knows about it, it’s called a study group. As far as working in groups and having free loaders; make them work, kick them out of the group, tell the person in charge. Getting an advanced or old copy of a test, lots of Profs. use tests from year to year and never change them, that’s on the Prof. If you get a test from the previous term then study it; if it’s a stolen test... let the Prof. know that the test may have been compromised unless you're failing the class . People copying off one during an exam, one should have pride in ones work and not let that happen. I am an engineer. (if that matters)
Ok. So lets take my grad school experience, since that is all Ive been basing my opinions on. 1 month before school actually begins, the students are put in a dorm in Boston. During that month, we go to classes that arent graded, but give us a chance to ease ourselves into the rigors of dental school. During that time, we also explore the city, find apartments to live in, and bond with one another. By the time school begins, all 100 of us our tight. When you go through a tough curriculum, it feels more like a fraternity...the students all lean on one another to make it through. Now, lets take the example of someone doing a homework assignment and mass emailing everyone in the class. Both the sender and all receivers are "cheating". Lets say one of the students decides to present this to the head of academic integrity. First off, that student would be turning in a good friend. Secondly, what would the consequences actually be? At BU, if you get 1 F or 2 Ds, you must repeat the year over again. Also, there is a business side to consider from the school's perspective. Each student pays 55,000 in tuition every year. When one student leaves, that spot is not filled up. Therefore, the school essentially is losing 55,000 for every student that is not there. After our first year, we went from 116 students to 101 because of students failing courses. That means, over the course of the next 3 years, the school lost 2.5 million dollars because those students couldnt pass first year coursework. So that brings me to my next point. How exactly is the school going to punish 100 students for cheating? They cant fail them, right? Whatever punishment they decide, it cant be that drastic where it interferes with the student continuing and getting a degree. The only result would be that the student who came out and told on them will no longer be a part of any social circle within the group. I would say that the student is definitely harming himself in that situation because you cannot make it through dental school without relying on support from your peers. Its just not possible. Edit: And if you think the snitch would be completely anonymous then youd be wrong because the school is small enough and tight enough were everyone knows whats going on. Faculty hang out with students on the weekends as well...That information would get out. Also, keep in mind that everyone is friends with one another...I would never sell out a friend of mine.
MBAs Cheat. But Why? link 9:15 AM Monday April 13, 2009 by Donald McCabe In 2006, Linda Trevino, Ken Butterfield and I published a study that showed that MBAs cheat more than other graduate students in the U.S. and Canada. Why does this happen? I believe the biggest issue is the get-it-done, damn-the-torpedoes, succeed-at-all costs mentality that many business students bring to the game, as Julia Kirby suggests. According to my research, the mindset of most MBAs--the bottom line--is to get the highest GPA possible, regardless of the means. After all, the students with the highest GPAs get the best shot at the six-figure jobs in pharmaceuticals, high tech, and, yes, finance. These are the jobs most MBAs covet. The cheating seems to indicate that MBA students are simply emulating behaviors they think are necessary to succeed in the corporate world. In spite of some recent exceptions, most have been taught about the supremacy of the bottom line in their MBA programs. Hitting that bottom line and personal success seem to go hand in hand for many. They are merely fulfilling expectations. In one of our studies, we found that, on average, 74% of undergraduate business students admit to relying on the Internet, crib notes, or peeking at their neighbors' tests in order to gain some advantage over their equally competitive peers. A higher incidence of cheating among business students also seems to be associated with the prevalence of questions that have one "right" answer. It's much easier to look over your neighbor's shoulder in search of that "right" answer than to copy a thoughtful, well-argued, nuanced essay. In a brilliant, McKinsey-award winning HBR article published way back in the Reagan years (1983), Robert Jackall observed that business success depends on pleasing the CEO - whose predecessor is, of course, the parent, the teacher, the professor. Achievers are trained, from an early age, to go for the "A"--often regardless of the means--and as motivated "students" climb up the corporate ladder, they are often more influenced by rewards than by their values. Their ethics become even muddier. As these people get older, many become more acutely aware of the gap between their professional (competitive) and personal (moral) lives; they become more psychologically frayed. Life, at least for them, has become a series of compromises. (Arthur Miller's play Death of a Salesman dramatizes this conflict.) My studies have led me to believe two things: 1) Today's generation of business students, if cheating in school is any indicator, find it easier to justify questionable behaviors, suggesting they may be more prone to ethical problems. Many may have a desire to tack to a moral "North Star" (remembering what business is for, as Charles Handy put it), but they need help doing so. 2) Business schools do have a responsibility to teach ethics. And some schools, such as the Tuck School at Dartmouth, have shown that teaching and reinforcing ethics and honor codes works for many students individually, and for the community in general. It seems to me that our business schools and their progeny--especially those with an inflated sense of self-worth--appear to lack a sense of disgrace. Bernard Madoff may now be in jail; too many others who have cheated or colluded in unethical behavior are walking away. In Japan, cultural mores embed a sense of shame in cheaters. Will MBAs who rise to the executive ranks, in the absence of such cultural shaming, continue to believe that they can get away with things, and if caught, that they will get off scot-free? As long as society accepts such behavior when it's associated with strong stock performance, I'm afraid they may. I believe business education needs to look hard in the mirror and ask a version of the famous question put forth by Rabbi Hillel: "If I am not for myself, then who will be for me? And if I am only for myself, then what am I? And if not now, when?" Has the connection to ethics among business practitioners truly deteriorated so much? What does this imply? Donald McCabe is a professor of management and global business at Rutgers Business School with expertise in ethical decision making.
Doing a homework assignment and mass e-mailing it to everyone is certainly cheating, that is completely absurd. Someone in my 6th grade class did that and was suspended for 2 weeks, if you are still doing that when you are 25, that is pretty pathetic. Working together to better understand the concepts is one thing (and almost always encouraged by teachers), handing out answers is quite another. As for the money aspect, 2.5 millions is pennies to an institution like BU, that plays no role in the matter I personally know quite a few dentists and none of them had to cheat to get through dentist school. There is no way your entire class convened together and cheated their way through school. I simply do not believe that. Anyway, cheating is cheating, there is no way that there are ANY graduate programs in existence that are designed to only be passable by cheating, it simply isn't the case. Again, cheating is just pathetic, I have no sympathy for cheater and wish more were turned in for their stupid and lazy actions.
First off, the dental school needs to make money for it to continue to be a part of BU...2.5 million is not pennies. When 15 students fail per year, thats a 10 million dollar loss every year for the school (considering 4 class years). They have a hard time upgrading xray machine units that would cost them 20,000 dollars. Secondly, I dont think you quite comprehend the workload...otherwise, you wouldnt be commenting like you are. And if you ask the dentists that you know, I can guarantee you that there were assignments here or there that they got answers without actually doing it. Im not talking about exams, Im talking about little ticky tacky assignments here and there. An average week consists of 2 quizzes, 2 homework assignments, 1.5 exams (6 per month), and lab projects that take 10+ hours to finish. This, on top of the 45 hours of lecture. Its not possible to finish every single assignment on your own. There isnt enough time for it. And yes, every single person in my class, at one time or another, participated in the act of getting a homework assignment from someone else. You dont have to believe me...but I will say that nobody believed me when I said I had 45 hours of lecture with 12 science classes per semester...and I proved them wrong by listing the curriculum by year. I have no reason to make things up. Like Ive said, unless youve been in that kind of a situation, you really dont have any idea of what you are talking about. Its easy to sit there and say, "ah just do the work'...but until youve actually been through the grind, you really have no place to judge.
Did you not say that you and your buddies stole a final exam from the professor's computer? How do you justify that? An no offense, but there are plenty of harder graduate programs than Dental school and people succeed in those programs without cheating all the time.
I think it's stupid to essentially dismiss everyone just because he/she hasn't gone to dental or medical school or a similar program. Yeah, it is easy for me to say that cheating is scummy because I vow not to do it in grad school. If I have to cheat to get through it, then I have no business being there in the first place.
Exactly. I plan on going to law school in 2 years. If I feel overwhelmed to the point that I am unable to do my own work, I will know law school is not for me and I will do something else that I am capable of doing ON MY OWN
Funny, I thought us lawyers had the reputation as "scumbags". You try to cheat in law school, not only will your fellow students turn you in, they will RACE to be the first to do so.
No, I didnt steal it...one of my classmates did and I took a look at the file. At the time, its not like we knew for sure if that was the exam or not...it looked similar to the previous years final exams (which we had copies of because the professor would post the last 5 years worth of exams on the class bulletin). Yeah, I dont justify that at all...Im not defending that. And really, other than that bizarre situation, it is impossible to cheat during an exam. As Ive stated, there are 20 proctors for 100 students with video cameras in every part of the room. But, the most prevalent for of cheating was during homework assignments and take home quizzes...but to be honest, I dont think the instructors cared if we cheated on that...they only counted all of the assignments at around 2% of the overall grade. And when you call cheaters lazy...I dont see how you can call someone lazy when they are busting their tails 7 days a week for 4 years after 4 years of undergrad. Dentistry might not be the hardest out of all grad school programs...but out of all the health care fields, the 4 years of dental school are harder than anything else you will find, including medicine, pharmacy, podiatry, chiropractic, etc... Again, unless youve been in a situation like that, you really cant answer the question. I dont think I should be judged as immoral and not a good practitioner...that is just so absurd. My practices clinically have not been short of exceptional. I can honestly say that I have never had 1 patient that walked away without being content with how I have treated and respected them. Thats why I say you have to look at the situations. Being a good person and cheating on an assignment are not mutually exclusive. So for those that say theyd feel uncomfortable going to a doctor if they knew he had cheated in his past...All I have to say is...
Law school is a different dynamic. In law school, you dont have assignments...you have like 8 exams total over the course of a semester. You cant cheat because its all about what you read and how you can relay that information on a piece of paper. So yeah, I'd say that there really are no opportunities to get help from other students in law school.
Here's what I don't get. If the homework assignments only counted for 2% of your grade, why even bother cheating? If it's so minuscule, why not just do what you can, and if you don't get a perfect mark, then what's the big deal? If you possess the ability to perform well on exams, then what's the point of cheating? So you don't have to worry about it? Too bad. That's a sorry excuse, and you keep saying you're not defending it or justifying it, but then proceeding to do just that. So all I have to say to that is...
Im not dismissing any other fields...Im saying that you have to understand the situation that one is placed in. If you havent been in dental school, you dont know what it is like to be in it.
Yeah, you could very well turn in an assignment and get 50% on it...but then you'll know that every other person got a 100% on it. You know what the difference in GPA between the #1 person and the number 95 person in the class was? 0.2. Every percent counts, even if its 2%. Im not justifying the final exam part...But the homework assignments, I dont think are a big deal. Im mostly defending that action because its a form of "cheating".
Of course I don't know what it's like to be in it. However, I do understand the situation one is placed in. It's difficult--very difficult I'm sure. But that doesn't make it okay to cheat. And you ARE dismissing my opinion and other people's opinions on the matter... because they "haven't been there." I don't have to have been there to not condone cheating. If every percent counts like you say, then it is a big deal. You're saying it can have a big impact, but then when someone brings up the cheating aspect of it, it's not longer a big deal... Convenient.
That sounds like a r****ded system. The school/professors have to be aware of the cheating but somehow they don't care? Is every grad school in the US like this or is this field related or just an anomaly? (serious question, I'm studying for a master's degree but in Europe and not too familiar with the US graduate school system)
