WTF is this, and this is the person that tries to lecture others about being a grad? Where do you get your grad degree? University of Phoenix Online? The bold part is obviously pure BS. Anyone who actually went to grad school will catch it right away. Stop spouting non-sense. Look, cheating in your post doesn't make you a better cheater-defender.
I would love to hear that as well. EDIT: This discussion is very eye-opening for me. As a new professor, I tried to give students that were caught cheating the benefit of the doubt. That they were making a one-time stupid mistake. The really funny thing is, on academic dishonesty panels, apparently STUDENTS opt for the most severe punishment on those that get caught as compared to faculty members on hearing panels. Now I know why.
I am relatively new to teaching but I do teach a course as an adjunct in attention to my work as a staff member at UH.
It seems like just yesterday when we were emailing final exams from our professors computers to ourselves, and today we're just cheating on homework assignments that count for 2% of our grade. It's funny, your selective memory, when it comes to validating your position.
When are you confronted with a situation of "all else being equal" and knowing if your doctor cheated or not? Those are hypotheticals that you as a patient wouldn't know. As I mentioned, the boards are what give doctors credentials to practice and you cannot cheat on those exams. From a patient's perspective, if the doctor knows the material on the boards well enough to pass then they should be qualified enough to practice medicine. The rest is based on their clinical work. On another note bachelors degrees for the most part are just a sheet of paper that have become the new high school diplomas. Its really a means to an end of getting a job with a decent salary. Working in public accounting I can say that I use about 10% of what I learned in school. The rest is experience and on the job training.
yep, cheating in college has become rampant and lots of kids have absolutely no moral conscience about what they are doing. The best thing to do is come down hard on them. As an honest student, I get particularly pissed because a majority of my classes are graded on a curve. If there are enough cheaters, my grade that I actually worked for suddenly means less than it should. I hope you are/become a professor that doesn't tolerate that kind of crap, those are the kinds of teachers I respect.
IMO, there is no gray area....if you have to question yourself on cheating, then you should already know the answer. The gray area (to me) lies in actually revealing these cheaters to the professor or school administration. Like I said in my previous post, I don't feel the need to disclose my findings to a professor. I prefer to let things naturally work themselves out. It shouldn't be shameful to do nothing. I've never thought that and I still don't. If you are good enough to excel in graduate level courses, having curves shouldn't matter. It boils down to the actual material you learn and how you apply it to your profession. If I do poorly on an exam but later find out why and understand the material afterwards, I don't worry too much about the grade itself. Strictly my thought process and ultimately each of us will have to live with our actions.
Haha right? Pretty soon he'll be saying "Come on, is it really cheating when you look at your notes for your attendance popper? The teacher doesn't even care! It only counts for 10 points!" Muddying the water with as many insignificant or extreme examples (The brilliant doctor who is a world class surgeon that just couldn't pass a test!) is the cheater's way of rationalizing.
What's really hilarious about this thread is all the people who are getting really defensive about cheating. If you said 'I need this diploma by any means necessary', fine. Good for you, you did what you had to do. But justifying it because you couldn't handle the stress and work load like other people is a joke.
LOL, no its is 100% the truth...in fact, I didnt count lab times. I went to Boston University for dental school. EDIT: Here are first year courses: Molecular Genetics Anatomical Sciences I Anatomical Sciences II Biochemistry Physiology Endocrinology Neurophysiology Microbiology Immunology Pathology (General) Introduction to Dental Practice Professional Ethics Evidence-Based Dentistry Integrated Problems in Practice Management I Applied Professional Experience Clerkship (APEX) I Dental Anatomy Operative Dentistry I Preclinical Operative Dentistry I Biomaterials I
No, Im talking about different topics with different people. The final exam thing was one time. The homework stuff has to do with the people that are talking about all forms of cheating. Im not validating anything, but I am having multiple conversations with people, so if you have a hard time keeping up, I apologize.
If someone hands you the final, and that person is done with the class are you going to look at it? I won't rat on the guy that gave me the final, because how do I know he really worked it out? At least I get an idea of what an OLD final looks like that is probably fake. I won't sit there and work it out because that is cheating. I do not condone cheating, and I would not snitch on anyone because the eye deceives. Leave them to god. If they cheat, they are cheating themselves and will end up losing an education and getting fired in the end.
I think people who say "leave them to God" or "they are cheating themselves" are lying to themselves. This is akin to "money can't buy happiness" or "a lot of rich people are poor in spirit."
I edited my previous post to show 1st year courses...many of those span over 2 semesters. Dental school is a beast, because unlike medicine, you dont have do to a residency. Therefore, everything is crammed into 4 years.
And here is 2nd year courses directly from the BU schedule: SDM EN 521 Endodontics SDM EN 522 Preclinical Endodontics SDM OB 511 Oral Biology I SDM OB 520 Oral Biology II SDM OD 522 Oral Diagnosis and Radiology SDM OD 524 Treatment Planning SDM OS 520 General Medicine and Dental Correlations SDM OS 521 Pain Control I SDM OS 534 Physical Diagnosis SDM PD 521 Preclinical Pediatric Dentistry-Orthodontics SDM PE 520 Periodontology I SDM PE 521 Preclinical Periodontology SDM PH 514 Preventive Dentistry SDM PH 520 Integrated Problems in Practice Management II SDM PH 521 Behavioral Sciences SDM PH 620 Applied Professional Experience Clerkship (APEX) II SDM RS 520 Operative Dentistry II SDM RS 521 Preclinical Operative Dentistry SDM RS 522 Removable Prosthodontics I SDM RS 523 Preclinical Removable Prosthodontics SDM RS 524 Fixed Prosthodontics SDM RS 525 Preclinical Fixed Prosthodontics I SDM RS 526 Biomaterials II SDM RS 527 Occlusion SDM RS 528 Preclinical Occlusion Year 3 courses: SDM MD 530 Pharmacology SDM OD 531 Oral Medicine SDM OR 530 Orthodontics SDM OS 530 Oral Surgery SDM OS 532 Pain Control II SDM PA 530 Oral Pathology SDM PD 530 Pediatric Dentistry SDM PE 530 Periodontology II SDM PH 530 Health Care Law SDM PH 531 Dental Career Perspectives SDM RS 530 Operative Dentistry III SDM RS 532 Removable Prosthodontics II SDM RS 534 Fixed Prosthodontics II SDM RS 536 Esthetic Dentistry SDM RS 540 Implantology SDM RS 544 Treatment Planning and Patient Management COMPREHENSIVE PATIENT CARE COURSES SDM PE 630 Clinical Periodontology I SDM RS 630 Clinical Operative Dentistry I SDM RS 631 Clinical Fixed Prosthodontics I SDM RS 632 Clinical Removable Prosthodontics I Keep in mind, during the 3rd year, you are also treating patients...about 20 hours per week. EDIT: May as well add 4th year curriculum...during 4th year, you are predominantly treating patients, but you also have the following classes: SDM OD 741 Clinical Licensure Board Preparation SDM PH 540 Geriatrics and Gerontology SDM PH 544 Integrated Problems in Practice Management IV SDM RS 542 Treatment Planning Seminar COMPREHENSIVE PATIENT CARE COURSES SDM EN 640 Clinical Endodontics SDM PE 640 Clinical Periodontology II SDM RS 640 Clinical Operative Dentistry II SDM RS 641 Clinical Fixed Prosthodontics II SDM RS 642 Clinical Removable Prosthodontics II CLINICAL ROTATIONS SDM PD 640 Clinical Pediatric Dentistry SDM PH 644 Extramural Training Program (Externship) SDM OD 640 Clinical Oral Diagnosis, Radiology, Patient Recall, and Emergency Dental Care SDM OS 640 Clinical Oral Surgery and Hospital Dentistry Elective Externship SDM PH 650 Elective Externships
It depends on what your definition is of happiness? What am I lying to myself about by believing that not snitching is my way of handling this situation?
