Here's example today of something that happened to me- sent the client their first draft on Wednesday, March 17 at 1:30 AM (yes, I put in late hours). The client emailed me this morning and said that they asked for the LinkedIn Profile and other documents due to them "early last week." Not seeing any message from this client, I immediately suspected they forgot, so I said, "So I can give you credit for putting in your request last week, please Forward the original message you sent to me from your Sent folder." Well, not only did the person not do this, she copied-and-pasted my First Draft message and changed the date on it so that it read March 16, 2009, 11:30 PM. Now, how could she have received the first draft 2 hours before I sent it? See, what the person did was forget to email me, then she went in and altered a message I sent to her to make it look as if she did, except she altered the wrong message (the message I sent, she never forwarded the message she supposedly sent to me), and she included a date on there that was before the date I sent her stuff. This is an important deal because I could get in trouble if I waited an entire week before responding to a client. So I busted her because she was too dumb to alter the correct message, and reversed the forward progress of time in the message that she did alter. I've busted at least 5 people doing stuff like this over the past year- instead of admitting that they simply forgot, they pull stuff like this. Cheaters.
It is very relevant. The company I subcontract for (major company) is auditing this particular project, and if I were to wait a week before responding to a client, they could easily reduce my workload or let me go, and we're talking about $1,000s of lost income as a result (probably an average of $2,500 per month, so it's one of my primary subcontracts). Several times, people procrastinate in getting back to me, then they try to doctor emails to indicate that they sent their stuff earlier in order to get their projects back quicker (all projects have a 7 business day turnaround). Unless they're really good, I almost always catch them making a mistake- like this last one, where they supposedly received my email 2 hours before I sent it. This person could have cost me serious money, which is why I'm meticulous about recording emails received from clients, saving all documentation, etc. Plus, tons of people want to inflate their achievements, put that they have a degree when they don't have one, etc. They say that 33% of individuals either lie or fabricate on their resumes- that's probably about true, from my experience (people send me their existing stuff, and inevitably I get a lot of "well, I didn't actually get the degree..." "the money saved was more like $30,000 instead of $80,000..."- things like that). Think of it- they can use the same logic as rez- they can say, "well, I know I'm qualified and I can do the job- if lying on my resume helped me to get the job I know I deserve, what will it matter?" I'll make a great ___________, so if I have to "inflate" a resume to get that position, so be it." And then, like rez, they can say they've done great work in that position, yet they lied in order to get it. Not exactly the same, but a bit. OK, so it's lying- c'mon, it's in the same boat. OK, how about this- I put sample documents on my site and I've had people copy off them verbatim, then send their document to me for a critique, and it's obvious they copied from me- I mean, and sometimes, they copy data that doesn't even pertain to their field. Stupid. But, thanks, REEK- I certainly welcome criticism and have no problem at all with your response- cheating and lying, although similar, are different.
It's not relevant to Rez's case because Rez was talking about homework assignments and graduated. Meaning he passes multiple exams and probably licensing exams without cheating (I assume). You are talking about FRAUD. Someone presenting themselves with FALSE qualifications. If I use your logic then I didn't deserve to graduate from Elementary, Middle or High school because I cheated a couple of times like any Kid does.
You just keep making whatever semantic gymastic you need to keep your internal justification for the behaviors in question. It seems to be working for you.
So, what you are saying is that cheating and fraud are not the same. That both of them do not involve deception. That being caught in one situation could involve a revoke of the degree and in another case could involve a revoke of the job offer (e.g. You're fired). OK. I simply stated that the practice of lying- which, of course, is very, very different from cheating, not even in the same ballpark- can lead to negative consequences and, in my case, being the recipient of such could have cost me money. So, I'm assuming that, without having read this whole thread, that you think it's OK that someone stole something off a professor's computer and passed it around to others that included rez. Got it, just wanted to make sure.
Hahaha, what soapbox are you on. Try reading the literature before claiming that dentists have the highest suicide rate. Boxer PA, Burnett C, Swanson N. Suicide and occupation: a review of the literature. J Occup Environ Med. 1995 Apr;37(4):442-52. Hem E, Haldorsen T, Aasland OG, Tyssen R, Vaglum P, Ekeberg O. Suicide rates according to education with a particular focus on physicians in Norway 1960-2000. Psychol Med. 2005 Jun;35(6):873-80. Alexander RE. Stress-related suicide by dentists and other health care workers. Fact or folklore? J Am Dent Assoc. 2001 Jun;132(6):786-94.
Man that is some messed up ****. Can't believe someone would go through all that trouble to rat out rezdawg. Anyways, on a lighter note .... Spoiler
Wrong, we are dealing with an individual who not only cheated, but attempt to glorify cheating. It is one thing to make mistakes at times in your life, it is a totally different matter not being able tell right from wrong, show no sign of guilt, and continue to boast about it. I would say most people care about his little homework circle about or whatever that goes on in BU. Rez launched a trainwreck crusade trying to convert a vice into a virtue. He present himself as a model citizen, a role model that other should be follow. "If you can't beat them, join them", "I will do this all over again", I mean, really? Did Rez really passed the board exam? I'm sure there is a section on professionalism and ethical behavior that Rez signed off. So he lied his way through it and since then became part of the "best health care system in the world". Is that really the optimal outcome? The day that cheating is not frown upon is the day all our degrees become worthless. Unless they copy Rez and paint a huge bulls-eye on their forehead. As the saying goes, the cover up is worst than the crime. Well, in Rez's case, he showed his true color. Cheaters, liars, fraudsters, Madoff, all unethical scumbags that differ only by the number of people they hurt. As long as their unethical behavior continue, then it is to the best interest of society to stop them. If talking sense into them doesn't work, then personally, I think retribution is not a bad idea.
