I'm out and typing on my phone, so I'll do my best until I get home. There is a major difference between a homework assignment and an exam that determines if you are a qualified practitioner. Sure, it's both considered cheating, but one can harm the well being of humans while the other can't. The licensing exam is mostly clinical, you work on patients. There is a written portion to it, but I don't need a copy of the exam to pass bc I've already learned my **** in dental school. Also, I didn't tell the whole class bc I let him decide who he wants to tell and who he doesn't. That's his business.
Hey, how about actually answering my questions? Like this one, don't dodge the question again And the other one, but since you insist, I will change the wording a little. First of, do you consider what your buddy did a scumbag move? If so, since he shared the stolen exam data with you, do you now join his rank? If you are fine with your buddy's action, would you steal the data yourself, given the chance? If you do, would you share your finding with the whole class? If you do not share, then explain equality in grading again. Please don't give me an answer that involves a time machine, aka "only if the exam turns out to be useful/not useful". Moreover, what if you buddy didn't share the data with you? Does your opinion change then? Is any and every form of cheating acceptable, unless the board exam is involved? Let's hear it. Thanks for playing
Dude, I told you I'm out and on a phone...I'm not dodging anything, but I have a life and it's Friday night...I'll give you the answers you're looking for when I get to a computer either later tonight or tomorrow. Game. Set. Match.
You seem to contradict yourself in every other post. Considering that you think cheating is relative to the situation, this doesn't really surprise me, but you're definitely talking in circles. Maybe you should have taken a class in logic...
I'm almost done, and cant wait to get the F out! Is not the studying and school works that gets to me is the damn people that you try to help out, and they start relying on you for assignments, hw ... help on online exams. At first it was cool .. new friends/classmates...then one semester later it becomes like ... either they dont know ****..or they just fckin lazy. If I dont do my work, they would skip the assignment too ... if they saw that I turned my in (online) they would say "hey! send me a copy .. let me look at it. When really they just copy it and submit. "Hey you wanna do the hw together!" and when you meet up is like damn I'm doin all the work. Sometime I really wonder how some of these people are even about to gradutated when they dont know *****. And is hard to avoid these people when they are in 3 of my 4 classes.
Ok, Im home...lets start with this gem. Saying I got my degree from an online course...saying that anyone that actually went to grad school would catch me in my lie...telling me Im spouting nonsense. Yeah, how about you go ahead and admit you knew nothing about the dental school curriculum...next time, you should check your facts before calling someone a liar. And that "bold" part...I actually downgraded it so that I wouldnt have people like you, who are completely clueless about the topic, mouthing off. Unfortunately, you still bit. Hope you learned your lesson.
Ok, lets play here. If my buddy obtained the board exam, would I still look at it...this is a weird question since it is impossible to obtain. I still answered your question in that I already know the material, so looking or not looking does not play a role. Regardless, to answer your question, I would take the board exam or licensing exam completely on my own without any outside help. Do I consider my buddy stealing the exam a scumbag move? Well, I think it was a stupid move. First off, he would have gotten an A in the class anyways, the dude is a genius. Therefore, he really is just risking getting kicked out of school. Yeah, I think it was a very dumb move on his part and I have told him that many times. Do I join his rank? Possibly...Like Ive said, I dont justify my actions for this particular case. Ive said that maybe 4 times in this thread. It was wrong and dumb. But, Ive also said that we didnt know if that was actually the exam because similar questions had already been posted from previous exams. Did I solely study that? Of course not, I still did studying on my own. But yeah, Im not saying it was okay to do that. Would I steal the data myself? Never in a million years. I would never put my career at risk like that. Therefore, answering any questions of whether or not Id share if I stole...I cant answer those because I would never think about stealing an exam. If my buddy didnt share the data with me...thats okay with me. I was studying for the exam anyways. Its his decision on whether he wants to share or not. With something of that magnitude, I can understand if he doesnt want to tell anyone. No, not all forms of cheating are acceptable other than the board exam. Ive never said that cheating on any exam is acceptable. I said I looked at a file of an exam once, and that was not good...but I have never cheated on any other exam in my life. Homework assignments and little things here and there, where the whole class is involved, Ive done that with no regrets. You know, I just dont get this "scumbag" name calling...I think thats the part that is most annoying because I know the kind of person I am. After graduation, I worked at Boston Health Care for the Homeless for 3 months. I took that job, willing to work for zero money...I worked from 7 am-3pm every single day of the week for free. Why did I do that? Because I was not in need of money at the time and it was a unique opportunity to gain a lot of experience while helping people off the streets. Since that time, I have also paid almost 10,000 dollars worth of dental treatment out of my own pockets for my patients, to make sure they get complete treatment...for various reasons (I can get into this if you want more details as to why I would do such a thing). I even have a number that people can call for free consultations over the phone. I dont get anything out of it other than knowing that I am helping someone that cant pay for a consultation elsewhere. And after all this, I received an award that is entitled, "America's Best Dentists 2010". So yes, I know exactly who I am and how much I care for my patients...they are always my first priority when I am caring for them and Ive never done anything to jeopardize the trust I have with them. Keep coming back with reasons as to why Im a big cheater, Im a scumbag, Im a liar, Im lazy, etc... Thats all fine, because at the end of the day, I know Im doing my job as being a contributing member to society.
No, Im not contradicting myself...I explain something to you, then you dont understand, so I try to explain a different way. English isnt my first language, so maybe Im not doing a good job explaining. But, I did score in the 97th percentile on my dental admissions test for reading comprehension, so I think its most likely an issue with you not quite being able to grasp certain points.
This is such horse****. I'm sorry, but it really is. Let me illustrate: How do all of these statements NOT contradict each other? It's funny because I didn't even call you out, you brought the attention to yourself. You said that you weren't offended by my generalized statement, but clearly you are. You are talking in circles. If you're okay with who you are and what I said did not offend you, then none of this should even matter.
Very convenient that you left out the one post I made that wrapped up all the points...nice job mickey. Here it is again for you... So yeah, the grade does count for very little...it is not very important...but its something that we all do together...and there is really no reason for me to deny myself the same privileges as other people in my class. Like I said, if every single person takes a zero, Id gladly do that as well. We did things as a whole...and Im a piece of that pie. So again, the cheating wasnt to achieve a grade...it was to put myself in the same boat as every other person in my class. Not that hard. And your initial statement isnt what sets me off...its the total package of everyone running in here, not having a clue what certain grad school curriculums consist of, and running their mouths with name calling...on top of what you had already mentioned. When a persons character is getting attacked when very little is known about the person, thats dirty. Edit: By the way, everything I mentioned in this one post is what you highlighted in your post...you should have a clearer picture that those comments arent necessarily contradicting.
rez, I'm with you on this one obviously. I actually went to med school, finished my basic sciences and then passed the Step 1. At that point I decided I didn't want to continue and went to work on Wall Street instead. 99% of the population would never know what it is like to go through med or dental school. It is the most intense and harrowing experience anyone can put themselves through. Basically, all my classmates cheated and everyone abused medications to help them get through classes. But that is not to say we didn't work intense hours. I worked routinely 10 hour days, 7 days a week. I didn't take Friday night or Saturday night off. Other kids studied for 16 hours each day on the weekend. Even despite the hard work, you need some advantage to get ahead. Everyone at this level works hard. Everyone sits and reads their textbook for more than 6 hours a day. The medical system has a built in system, where it is nearly impossible to cheat after a certain level. The cheating that goes on early on is very trivial in the end. You can't cheat on the Step 1, you can't cheat at Clinicals, you can't cheat on Step 2. You can't cheat on any ultimate Licensing Board. Obviously cheating is not something one should be proud of, but it is a necessity when you are on the ultimate level. That is why we see pro athletes do this so often. Most people can't relate. That being said, I would trust most of my classmates who cheated, with my health, because I know how hard they have worked to get where they are at. Cheating on a Genetics or Biochemistry exam has no bearing on how good of clinician you are.
So, you didn't cheat so you could achieve a grade; you just cheated so you could achieve a grade that was the same as your peers. That's a whole lot different.
Thanks Brightside, appreciate the comments...its really difficult trying to convey the intensity of the curriculum. In any case, helps that Im not one versus the world now.
Yeah, its not the actual grade, such as A, B, or C that mattered...its that we all achieve the same level of performance together. Again, why would I deny myself the same privileges as my peers? Why not just equalize everything when its right there for the taking?
How would I do better than the group when its a 100%? The answers that are emailed out are correct...there is no such a thing as getting 11 questions right out of 10, but if there was, I'd tell my friends how to do it.
No offense, but look at what happened to the athletes who cheated and got caught. Think they wouldn't give anything to do it over again and not cheat, even if it meant slightly less production? Go ask Mark McGuire or Rafael Palmiero. Hey, these days, cheating is big business: www.fakeresume.com www.ashleymadison.com www.essaysreasy.net
But, I would consider it better to score a 100 without cheating. Unless that wasn't possible for you.
