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[Chasing23.com] Scottie Pippen always guarded the other teams best perimeter player?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by plutoblue11, Jul 14, 2012.

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Scottie Pippen guarded the best opposing wing player more often than MJ.

Poll closed Nov 16, 2012.

  1. True

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  2. False

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  3. Even, about the same rate as MJ

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  1. Nook

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    No, Pippen didn't always guard the others teams best scorer. It depended on match ups, usually Scottie guarded longer players and SF/SG hybrids. However Jordan would guard quicker players.

    It was also not uncommon for Pippen and Jordan to alternate depending on who was on the floor.

    After 30 I would say Pippen was an overall better defender, but not by much.

    If I had to guard one possession on defense I would take Jordan 9 out of 10 times. Ocassionally Pippen would miss assignments or commit fouls that Jordan did not.

    Jordan is the best overall defensive shooting guard I have ever seen.
     
    #21 Nook, Jul 14, 2012
  2. pacertom

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    Pippen certainly never spent much time guarding Reggie Miller in all of the Pacers-Bulls battles for a decade or so. That was MJ or even Ron Harper.

    Pippen did give PG Mark Jackson major fits with on-the-ball pressure D in a couple of playoff series.
     
    #22 pacertom, Jul 14, 2012
  3. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    As much as I hate to admit it, I can't agree. Despite growing into a system player on offense he was still great. And honestly, if I had to build a perfect starting lineup he'd be my starting SF over Larry Bird, Dr. J, etc... because of how he would ultimately complete my other 4 starters.

    He might be the greatest role player of all-time and that's not a shot at him. He played an important role. They could have traded Pippen for any other player and they wouldn't have been able to win 72 without him. 72!!!
     
    #23 Ziggy, Jul 14, 2012
  4. ItsMyFault

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    No, I'm not joking. I don't know where people around here get the idea that LeBron's defense is better than either of those guys. It's not. It's pathetic how overrated LeBron's defense is around the Dish.
     
    #24 ItsMyFault, Jul 14, 2012
  5. crossover

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    Here's a vid very pertinent to this thread, maybe the one Jlobabydaddy was looking for. MJ was just tenacious on D and truly in a league of his own. And yes, I don't think Lebron is close enough for comparisons.

    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/f4gigN2zMU4?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
    #25 crossover, Jul 14, 2012
  6. Air Langhi

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    LeBron is a better defender than Jordan. That one game against Gasol and the games against Rose exemplify it, and no one played in D in the 80's. The hard nose D really started in the 90's.
     
    #26 Air Langhi, Jul 14, 2012
  7. ItsMyFault

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    Nope. Small sample sizes that are overblown by the Media won't ever convince me that LeBron is a better overall defender. It's things like these which make the NBA dish laughable.
     
    #27 ItsMyFault, Jul 15, 2012
  8. Steve_Francis_rules

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    That's how defense is supposed to be played. MJ may have been a better defender than Lebron, but if they still allowed that much contact on the perimeter, the gap might be a lot smaller.
     
    #28 Steve_Francis_rules, Jul 15, 2012
  9. Blake

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    MJ was king of the 90's. And you couldn't be more wrong about defense in the 80's. The bad boy pistons were late 80s
     
    #29 Blake, Jul 15, 2012
  10. plutoblue11

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    It depends on how you look at complete, defensively...yes. Offensively, it's a toss-up ... he couldn't shoot like Bird, Mullin, or Dantley or impose his will scoring-wise like Barry, Nique, Melo, or LeBron. While, running an offense and possessing court vision... could he do that better than LeBron or Bird.


    I do believe he's the greatest role player of all time, while on a vastly talented team (perfect starting lineup) or a more mediocre roster ... I still have hard time taking him over Bird or LeBron in their primes, both who I see as almost the ultimate weapon type players (the scoring ability puts them over the top and getting those tough points). On a more realistic NBA team, there might be about 5-7 players I would take over Pippen with 3 to 5 being unquestionable.
     
    #30 plutoblue11, Jul 15, 2012
  11. GreatOne1978

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    lmao so much grabbing and reaching and fouling he got away with. Typical manufactured superstar like Lebron and Wade are right now

    Wilt is the GOAT
     
    #31 GreatOne1978, Jul 15, 2012
  12. plutoblue11

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    You realize that was the norm in those days, players could use their forearms in back to back basket situations, while it was very legal to body someone up on the perimeter. You also didn't see people flopping, outside of Laimbeer & Co. (Rodman), Divac, Malone/Stockton, and few others.
     
    #32 plutoblue11, Jul 15, 2012
  13. GreatOne1978

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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1201220/8/index.htm
    Even his own peers knew
     
    #33 GreatOne1978, Jul 15, 2012
  14. DaGreatest

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    itsyourfault you get irrelevant post of the day :grin:

    Pippen was an incredible sidekick, nothing more, nothing less.. Scottie couldnt do it without Mike, but I believe Jordan wouldve still won titles without Pippen.. its simple, bring in a defensive specialist at the SF position and he wouldve got off just like Scottie.. and his jump shot was garbage, he was streaky at best
     
    #34 DaGreatest, Jul 15, 2012
  15. VBG

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    If you let Lebron have that much contact he would be a better defensive player than Jordan.
     
    #35 VBG, Jul 15, 2012
  16. GreatOne1978

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    Michael Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs before Scottie Pippen arrived. Got swept in consecutive years out of 1st round by Celtics
     
    #36 GreatOne1978, Jul 15, 2012
  17. Dreamshake1

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    Hope ur being sarcastic
     
    #37 Dreamshake1, Jul 15, 2012
  18. Pieman2005

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    LeBron is bigger than Michael, almost as fast and just as athletic. Why couldn't he be just as good as a defender? The dude is huge and quick.
     
    #38 Pieman2005, Jul 15, 2012
  19. Dreamshake1

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    This is why Lebron gets the pressure on him. Fans like yourself try SO HARD to thrust Lebron into Mj's shoes since he came into the league its ridiculous. Lebron has a great game, "no other player since Jordan dominated like this". Lebron fails in the clutch its the coaches fault. You guys are all over the place
     
    #39 Dreamshake1, Jul 15, 2012
  20. psk

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    defense is more than just being large and athletic. yes, it certainly helps to have those physical attributes, but being able to read the player, ball movement, reaction time, and thinking of moves ahead are all benefactors in a great defensive player.
     
    #40 psk, Jul 15, 2012
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