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Chase Budinger's last 5 games

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Dec 20, 2010.

  1. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    I've said the same thing recently, including here awhile ago. I'm really at a loss. I just don't get it. Sophomore slump? It seems to be something more, but if it's a sophomore slump, Bud should break out of it by the break, don't you think? I hope he does, but I'm currently very pessimistic.
     
  2. baller024

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    Bud's not quick enough to guard SGs, and he's not big and strong enough guard big SG/SF, trade him apart of a package for a center or something, if anyone thinks he's Kobe Bryant in the making they're speaking in pure hyperbole, or are blinded.
     
  3. baller024

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    Physically speaking, based on professional scouting reports, obvious defensive skills, superb ball handling skills, and a knack for going after rebounds (all three of which he's shown).
     
  4. MrButtocks

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    Oh, really?
    Nah, just kidding. I made that one up.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    That one you can use !

    ;)

    He lost his confidence.....that is it......it happens to a lot of players....

    DD
     
  6. Htown's2kFinest

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    Teams should just sag off him now and give him the Rafer treatment cause he can't hit jack. It's a travesty that he's still being played while Twill sits.
     
  7. thegame_2234

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    Don't know why so harsh with chase budinger


    he's doing a good job from the bench is this his second year :confused: IMO he's better offensive player that shane that he need to developed his defense right that why is shane here adelman too
     
  8. Aleron

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    Wtf? Are you really comparing the upside of a lottery pick whose biggest issue is maturity with a complete scrub?
     
  9. Deckard

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    Clearly! You know, I wonder what he did during the off-season. Chase looks, to me, like he didn't do any work during the summer gaining some weight and increasing his strength. To me, he looks like he didn't improve in that area at all. Maybe I'm seeing things. Anyone hear about his off-season activities?
     
  10. BrownBeast99

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    YoYo's legendary comic of DD is holding true. After a successful rookie season, Chase has now regressed after being touted so highly by DD last year and this past offseason LOL
     
  11. tofu--

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    I dunno, Breakfast Klub?
     
  12. Old Man Rock

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    His shooting has regressed. There is no doubt on that. But every other asset of his game has improved. He is a better defender. he is a better rebounder. he slashes stronger to the basket. He runs Adelman's offense about as good as anyone on the court. He always takes his open shots. Curls toward the middle and looks for opportunities to drive the lane and pass to the open man. He moves the ball well. Many of his passes are just to move the ball and don't always end up in assists but they get the ball rolling. Which is exactly what you are supposed to do in Adelmans offense.

    You need only watch Brooks to see the oppossite of what Bud does. Dribble, dribble shoot. I am not faulting Brooks, he just returned and will need time to get back in the swing of things. But you never see Bud slow down the offense like that. That is why he stays in the game. He does exactly what Adelman asks. he just doesn't do it all of it very well. Meaning he isn't hitting his open shots.

    Yesterday he had an airball from behind the arc that was pathetic. ANd you could see it was he just didn't get set in his proper shooting form. He also doesn't play good D. He fouls too much in an effort to stay on his man. But he is improving on that and you can see he is trying hard.

    He is improving on everything. Just watch how he goes for rebounds. he actually boxes out a little bit and then goes up hard for them and tries to yank them down. He drives harder to the basket. He tries to swat basketballs out of players hands ala Battier. If you truly watch his game you will see he is doing so many little things better. The coaches definitely see it. That's why Adelman gives him so many minutes. He can't play Dlike Battier but he can pass and drive better than him.

    The problem is everyone expects Bud to be a 40% 3pt shooter. ANd he should be. That was supposed to be his specialty. But when he doesn't shoot well then makes a few boneheaded turnovers are doesn't cover his guy right. That play gets amplified. "He sucks at shooting and he can't play d". "What the hell is he doing out there". But Adelman unlike us sees his overall game and knows his shooting will come around.

    When he shoots right his form is too good for it not too. And probably the fact that he is trying to do everything right contributes to his poor shooting. Eventually all of the other things he is doing will become more automatic and he will get to go back to shooting well. It actually is already starting to turn around. And will improve in time you will see. That is of course if T-Will doesn't blow him out of the water before he gets a chance.

    I have always called Bud and battier our weakest links (not counting Yao being). I have always thought we needed to desperately upgrade the 3. But the fact is they have been contributing to our wins more and more. We still could use a better 2-way player and I am hopeful T-Will will be that. But watch Bud completely before you are so hard on him. He is helping us win and not the other way around lately.
     
  13. saintja2

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    Budinger hasn't panned out as well as we hoped, but he's still fairly young, dirt cheap and with his supposed laidback personality - probably won't rock the boat when things don't go the way he wants. Perfect 10-12th man material.

    I think if Terrence Williams shows anything in practice, he'll get his chance quickly and if he manages to play even adequately, Budinger will be demoted to a situational player.
     
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    I must admit, I am seeing things much differently.

    I am seeing eyes light up when the other team's offense realizes that Budinger is on the floor. I am seeing Budinger jump at pumpfakes. I am seeing Budinger give up when his man gets by him. I have yet to see Budinger take a charge, or change a shot at the rim when he is helping the helper, which Battier excels at. Worst of all, I am seeing a sulking, scared attitude after he gets beat, not a "I will get you back on the other end" type of attitude that a scorer needs to have. I am not seeing a player with a high basketball IQ making correct passes, I am seeing a scared boy afraid to make a play.

    When Bud was at Arizona, he showed that he could be a playmaker. He showed that he could take his man off the dribble and create a play. He showed that he could use a pumpfake to get to the rim. He could run a pick & roll at one point in time.

    In the 4th quarter, he was soft and he was scared, and he struggled to get out of his shell. Read the scouting reports.

    Weaknesses

    "Leadership skills"'
    "Not always assertive"
    "Physical Toughness"
    "Go-to scoring mentality"

    On the court weaknesses.

    "Ability to defend position at next level"
    "Lateral quickness"
    "Ability to finish through contact"

    Last year...
    "Worst NBA defenders vs isolation sets (min 50pos): Mo Williams, Antawn Jamison, Vlad Radmanovic, DJ Augustin, Anthony Morrow,Chase Budinger"


    I can guarantee that Synergy still ranks him as one of the worst defenders in the NBA. Jawad Williams can tell you that.

    That is why he went where he went on draft night. Hopefully he can improve.
     
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    chase gave an above then average season for a rockets rookie and showed promise and potential. but now is slumping and a getting some harsh treatment for his crappy ass play as of late. the dude is YOUNG and the key word here is CONFIDENCE!!! or lack of it in his case. he is still the same chase talent wise, he just needs some sort of fire to be set in him so u can unleash the beast! if losing minutes to twill unleashes this ''FIRE'' so be it. once he learns not to get down on himself so much he should be coming back to form. IF YOU THINK THIS IS A LONG TERM SLUMP FOR CHASE YOU ARE A FOOL! ;) food for thought: don't build up a guy so much to the point where u dont like when he comes back tumbling down to earth!
     
  16. trugoy

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    The thing is he is too "by the book" especially on defense by also on offense. He needs a little street in him. Look at defenders like artest or lowry, I mean they are by no means perfect positionally but they make up for it in toughness(read as dirtyness, physical contact, things that disrupt rythm). Chase I see he is pretty good positionally, but he gets scored on far too frequently for someone that is actually decent at contesting, it's because he is too "clean" for a lack of a better word.

    Offensively, he is also mr "clean", he never ever forces contact or force someone to foul him, all the fouls you see are players that foul him rather than him forcing contact, that's not really going to cut it in the NBA.

    He was so talented that he can get by playing his game in college but in the NBA he has to get a bit rougher.
     
  17. mrjuandiego1988

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    i agree totally with this! show a little attitude show some i dont give a f-cuk ima bulldoze of all yall for the dunk type of ish :mad: get mad!!! lol :grin: dont look like robot out there
     
  18. ArtV

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    Nothing? I would say that what is most likely a mid 1st round pick is not nothing. Far from it. The only reason they "gave" him away was tardiness and a desire to get Melo.

    And as far as upside...I think any bb person will say that a number 11 has more upside than a 44. Not saying a 44 couldn't be better than an 11 but since both sample sizes are realtively small at this point, I do think the numbers are on TWill's side. I know you are a Rocket fan. Show TWill the same love you show Bud.

    I know this thread is somewhat emotional for you but you might want to step back and take a breath. Christmas is coming. Enjoy.
     
  19. ktbballplaya

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    Chase plays like a spoil kid that had everything coming up. He doesnt seem to get motivated by his bad play. He has no fight in him its pretty disturbing when that dude stepped on his face in college and he did nothing. I dont promote fighting but you got me messed ALL the way up if I dont retaliate.
     
  20. Rileydog

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    Are you sure we're watching the same thing?

    Last night was just more of the same we have seen all season.

    - Defense was garbage. A simple pump fake and he goes flying, with no attempt to recover. Lollygagging back on defense allowing his man to fill the wing and dunk. Getting bullied to the basket.

    - indecisive and weak with the ball, a turnover machine.

    - slightest contact forces him wide and out, away from the basket, whether he has the ball or not.

    Reason would dictate that you give Courtney Lee the minutes taken by Buddinger. What, is C Lee going to play worse defense at the Sf position than Budd.

    All I can think of is that Morey/Adelman are auditioning Bud for a trade. Too bad his play is still piss poor.

    I wish I were tech savvy smart enough to put together game film on Chase. i cannot believe there is any real discussion about whether he is incompetent.
     

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