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Charles Barkley Dropping Knowledge

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ISOBall, Apr 28, 2016.

  1. SF3isBack!!

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    This, and it's logical. Unfortunately you have people on this site who have their own agendas to push and stick with them no matter how stupid it seems.
     
  2. Vivi

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    Yeah, but this doesn't change my point...i mean, i don't think Chuck knows that Ariza played something like 38/40 minutes after the all star always guarding the opponent top player, and i don't think he understands that Ariza is not a true shooter...he's just basically saying "Ariza is shooting this bad cause he doesn't like to play with Harden"

    That's just absolute bs and tells what you have to know about Chuck as an analyst.
     
  3. SF3isBack!!

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    Thats true and if you look at Trevors history he's always been an up and down 3 point shooter.
     
  4. Matt78777

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    I kinda agree with Barkley. I think Harden probes the defense and then makes the right pass to the open player, whoever it is, but I don't know if he starts off a possession thinking, "I need to get Trevor a good shot and get him in this game, I'm going to try and run something to get him going." Leaders/point guards will start a game with the latter mentality, so by the end of the game everyone else has confidence so he can play with the former mentality and trust his teammates to make shots.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    We all have agendas, but not you.
     
  6. malakas

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    Well..if I was Horford and Conley I know I wouldnt want to come here for sure. Because with Conley I would be fighting with Harden for the ball and with Horford no guarantee that Harden will get me much involved plus I would have to cover up for a horrendous perimeter defence.
    But thats me. We will see what the actual top players think about playing with Harden pretty soon.
     
  7. onreego

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    Unless there is a system with plays, a traditional pg doesn't think "I'm passing to this specific guy" in an offense like Houston's. Most of the time they're going to think "I need to get a good shot for the team, whatever or whoever that may be" because there is simply is no structure in the offense.

    We had neither a traditional pg or system and our go-to player was our best player with the ball. Some folks here like to complain but I hope they could see there really wasn't another option for this team. Hopefully it all changes from here.
     
  8. dmoneybangbang

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    That's a pretty generous statement.
     
  9. Vivi

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    Yeah, and that's why it's called read and react, Spurs and Warriors (to say a couple of names, but look at OKC...) plays the same, they just have better players, more shooting, passing and iq.

    It's not only that obviously, but yeah...
     
  10. dmoneybangbang

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    How do you figure? Horford is a skilled big who can shoot outside shots, seems they are match.
     
  11. Vivi

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    Yeah, i agree, D.Mo got a lot of touches last year.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    The year before he was traded to the Rockets he shot at a high volume at 40%. That would constitute him being somewhere in the top 10.
     
  13. Rox11

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    Why is tnt so stuck up about the coaches always being in the right and that if a player disagrees with a coach he is a egotistical maniac?

    Jb is the one wrong here as well as Morey for hiring Mcfail and his staff from the start. Heck maybe Jb isnt even the problem....maybe its the role players not being able to score and to make things worse, they are asked to play gsw ball. This L is on managment and not on Harden, as much as i get aggravated with his lack of hustle.
     
  14. onreego

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    Even read and react has structure and plays. Those plays just set the PG up with multiple options based on how the defense is. So even in those situations the mentality is "Ok, I can get it to these guys if this or this happens"

    But yes, IQ helps A LOT. Since our read and react style was more of an "OMG OMG OMG....Uh where's James? Ah ****" throws ball up (Corey, Bev, Ariza probably)
     
  15. Vivi

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    Yep, that's why i was saying "it's not only that". For example, it's not like the Thunder are playing such a good basketball or are that talented, in fact they're pretty bad, but they have to superstars, two of the 5/10 best players in the league, that's why they're where they're...something like that would already help us a lot. Just imagine this same roster with just Durant at the 3...

    Anyway yeah, we desperately need at least a couple of solid and smart players.
     
  16. cdrive

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    Remember when we paid 12 mil to Lawson betting that he would upgrade our PG rotation?
    Remember when we got a cheap nice roster fill in Thornton but didn't have any non Figurehead Coaches to utilize him, run him off screens for mid range catch n shoot as a professional gunner?
    (Yeah I'm going to go with this)
    Remember when we signed KJ to 3.3mil a year as if we were going to use him and then we didn't use him? Like at all. Until it was too late and then not enough. Because he was an offensive liability apparently getting in the way of our offensive juggernaut Brewer.
    Remember when we rolled the dice on Lawson, but didn't hedge our bet by drafting a PG?
    So then we had Terry as PG and an inactive Goudelock because we needed to have Terrence Jones active, who we never activated?
    Remember when we thought Brewer would be an NBA caliber player?
    Remember when we thought we would get multiple or hell at least ONE year of Wizard era Ariza?
    Remember when we thought we were good with DMo and TJ, and then we never saw DMo, then TJ regressed like none other and we iced him, then DMo came back but then we tried to trade him, but then we didn't, and then we got Josh Smith?

    So yeah. I think it is fair for Harden to say we are going to upgrade our roster.
    Dear Daryl, do better than this last season. Like a lot better. At this point you at he helm is less destructive than the growing pains of a new replacement. So it isn't much of a vote of confidence, but it's marginally the lesser of 2 evils. So please, Daryl, with sprinkles and a cherry on top, do a lot better.
     
  17. malakas

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    So as a big coming from a team like atlanta with constant ball movement where everyone touches the ball I would be convinced to come here because of some games two seasons ago when a player who doesnt even play exactly like me, got some touches? I would suspect that I wouldnt get much featured if anything. Most of the bigs in this team dont get involved at all or very little. Its brick brick and brick from the brick bros.

    Ofc we dont know how much important that is to horford. It may not be at all.
    Im talking if I was him.
     
  18. Aleron

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    No, it's about the coaching staff, Harden is perfectly capable of playing off the ball at times, but he's not a quick guy so it needs some creative use of screens, he was the guy drawing up all sorts of funky plays like that in the all star game.
     
  19. sammy

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    That's not the truth. Lol

    Harden gets his teammates involved. He would average 10 dimes a game if he had better shooters around him. Ariza was never one of the best 3 pt shooters. Asinine.
     
  20. Vivi

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    And i would do the same.

    But i think that we're all to much worried and conditioned by this media assault about the "Harden doesn't like to share the ball" argument, Harden already played (well) with other great players in his career, and he's the first which asks for help, he was ok to sign LMA and Melo these past seasons.

    I'm also positive about the fact that players know better than Barkely who's the "cancer" between Harden and Howard when it comes to play team ball.
     

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