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Charles barkley bark his opinion about lequit decision

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by got em COACH, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. rox4lyf

    rox4lyf Member

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    It becomes drastically different when you make a two year long guessing game playing with the fans of cities all over the country to enhance your "brand" and culminate everything with an hour long press conference to announce that you are leaving the city, the fans, and the organization that loved you and supported you with little to no expressed remorse or gratitude. Kobe asked to be traded from a team that was a borderline lottery team. Lebron asked to be traded from a team that won 60+ games for two consecutive years and were heavy favorites to win a championship in those years. Therein lies the difference.
     
  2. daywalker02

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    Besides Dwade is a heck of player to play with. Who would not want to team up with him?
     
  3. daywalker02

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    Let's see how that 60+ does without him. We will have the answer.
     
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  4. clippy

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    Those two had incredible chemistry in the Olympics. The Heat are going to be amazing. Bosh & Miller are just gravy. If they can resign Haslem and/or sign someone like Brad Miller.. watch out.
     
  5. daywalker02

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    Can't compare the Lakers with the Cavs. Traditionwise, moneywise they are not on the same level. James is not a scorer. Period. He can score but he is not a scorer that Bryant is. Stop comparing them.
     
  6. yo

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    "Lebron asked to be traded"? :confused: I see what you're saying though. Yes, the Cavs had top records for years, but they have repeatedly failed in the playoffs with a bleak outlook on the future. After getting Jamison, the Cavs peaked - that team was not getting much better than that, and they still got beat. So in that sense, Kobe and Lebron were in a similar situation, and had similar reactions. Kobe asked to be traded (though Pau soon came to the rescue), and Lebron bolted.

    I think this idea of winning a championship in a certain situation where the superstar weathers the tough times, sticks with the team and eventually comes out on top is more of an ideal. I can't think of any specific examples right now (though it's late), but I think guys just want to win titles. Perhaps the league has evolved... Maybe the kids these days are starting not to care about "being the man" anymore and are realizing that winning a title will bring the glory they seek, regardless if it's on a stacked team or not.
     
  7. daywalker02

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    Being on a 'bad' team in terms of incompetent owner, GM. It's just not the right environment. Those swaps of GM and head coach does not help either. Scott is not the man. Bleak outlook with no superstars coming in. You have to bolt if you are smart. I don't think Barkley will never be smart in those terms of decision-making.
    Going to either Chicago or Miami is a very good option in terms of winning.
     
  8. goodbug

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    It's like MJ joined Pistons in 1990 or Kobe joined Spurs in 2006. They'd still win championships, but how will their legacy be rewritten? LeBron did just that.

     
  9. LiLStevie3

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    Exactly, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for him to do something really historic. And if he becomes more Magic than a MJ, is that really such an awful thing?
     
  10. daywalker02

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    You can't blame him not wanting to be the 'guy' as bad as Kobe and Mike did. He just aint it. Props to him that he lasted in Cleveland for 7 years. Other guy would have bolted way before that. Get the facts straight. Cleveland is not half as enticing to play and live in than Chicago and LA.
    No matter what legacy you and Barkley are talking about. I sense that the King has another perception of that.
     
  11. LiLStevie3

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    Difference is MJ had a few promising pieces - a young Pip and Horace Grant waiting in the wings. In Cle, Mo Williams and Varajeo are as good as they are ever gonna be which is solid but nothing special and Jamison is aging. There's no real promise in the roster nor any flexibility to upgrade.

    Kobe already had Odom and then got handed Gasol in a historically lopsided trade and also had a lottery pick in Andrew Bynum. Cleveland wouldn't be in the lottery anytime soon and you're living in fairytale land if you think another elite big man will be handed to them like Chris Wallace did Gasol.
     
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  12. daywalker02

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    Good point. I think with all the money and attention Lebron can live with his legacy being not as great as those other two guys.
     
  13. sw847

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    I have no problem is LBJ leaving. The difference is the fashion in which he left. Kobe expressed that he was unhappy and needed help. LBJ promised the lead the Cavs to the championship. He basically gave them false hope. Like I said in another thread, he knew he was leaving the city. Why not be like Amare and make it clear to everyone (offcourse I am not saying to state where you are going), but just saying that you want a change of scenary is better.

    Its not What he did, its How he did it that is the problem for me. The hour long 'show' for his decision is just the straw that broke the back for me. It went too far in my eyes.
     
  14. Steve_Francis_rules

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    Thanks for mentioning this. I had completely forgotten that Miami just won the NBA title, as Detroit did in 1990 and San Antonio did in 2006. I could have sworn the Lakers were the defending champions. :rolleyes:

    Lebron is not leaving a mediocre team for a team that has bested him in the playoffs repeatedly. He's leaving a title contending team to play on a team that he feels has an even better chance of winning a title. That franchise just so happens to have won a title four years ago, with an almost entirely different roster.
     
  15. durvasa

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    Surprisingly, he makes very good points.
     
  16. SWTsig

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    they won what - 67 and 61 games in back-to-back seasons? which led the nba both times?

    yeah, i'd say they were one of the 5 or 6 best teams.
     
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    he said the supporting cast.

    if you believe so, you expect them to be in the playoffs next year sans lebron?
     
  18. SWTsig

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    what difference does that make? do the cavs get past the celtics this year if lebron didn't flat out QUIT on them? this roster talk is just bullsh!t. the cavs owner did everything he could to put the right pieces around lebron - bringing in mo williams when he was the best pg available, overpaying for shaq when they needed a big man, bringing in jamison when they couldn't get amare.... and THIS is how lebron thanks them?

    give me break. lebron had his mind made up well before yesterday, and if you ask guys like bill simmons he had his mind made up 2 f'ing years ago. to drag this thing out, to QUIT on your team in the playoffs, to **** on the franchise and city that bent over backward for you is an absolute joke.
     
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  19. DreamShakeFTW

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    Barkley is right on.

    LeBron isn't capable of being 'The Man' or carrying a team.
     
  20. durvasa

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    Sure he is. If you don't think he's capable of carrying a team, I don't know what you've been watching the last several years. He elevated Cleveland from lottery team to title contender. But one man can do only so much.
     
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