I am happy with the cop who pulled both me and my buddy over while we were both drunk.. he just gave us both illegal left turn tickets and ignored the fact I was drunk.. I even shook his hand like an idiot... thanks to you. I got the ticket dismissed b/c he didn't show up to court that day, so I am pretty grateful for how that panned out.
Because you are giving the Police more evidence.....just refuse, be courteous, and you have a much better chance of succeeding in court. I would not trust the blood test either......you should always protect your own rights.....first. DD
How DARE the cop assume that someone driving around at 2am with no headlights on might possibly be drunk. POLICE STATE!!!! Why won’t there be a next time? Does that mean you’ve learned your lesson? Because if that’s the case, it would kind of make Fatty’s whole predictable stance that all DWI laws are just a way for the corrupt government to make money and have NOTHING to do with preventing people from drinking and driving……well, it would kind of make it, for lack of a better term, COMPLETE BULL****.
I did that and I got pulled despite not drinking. The cop just let me go. I have auto lights and usually I don't have to turn them on, and the streets were bright enough that I didn't notice my light wasn't on. It is a police state.
As a long time (former) resident of The Woodlands...Shenandoah and Oak Ridge police DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE. Drive through what is actually Shenandoah (the part where's there actually houses). You won't see a Shenandoah cop anywhere. They spend 90% of their time patrolling Research Forest and up and down their little slice of I-45.
There is more to it than weight, but I'll go ahead and say, what are the odds that 4 beers over 7 hours is accurate? Who the hell drinks one beer per 1.75 hours? What if he had 3 beers in the past hour, and is counting one he drank at lunch? As far as I'm concerned, refusing the blood test should not be allowed. If you really are innocent, it is the easiest crime to prove it.
Why is it a "police state"? What did the police do wrong in your case? You were driving without headlighs on and they rightfully pulled you over. I assume you satisfactorily explained the situation and they rightfully let you go.
From my experience, everyone in the history of DWI charges underestimates the amount they had to drink when telling the story about how the cops are out to get them. If the OP had 4 12oz beers in 7 hours then that probably means he had 5-6 beers and a shot or two in about 4 hours time. If he was out at 2am, then that probably means he got to the bar/club around 9-10pm (who goes out earlier than that and stays till 2?). The best one I've dealt with is this guy who got one after a sporting event. He ONLY HAD 3 BEERS over the course of the game and NONE in the 4th quarter, but he didn't tell everyone that they were the big 24 oz draft beers. And saying 4 beers in 7 hours doesn't mean much. What if he had beer 1 during hour 1 and then 3 during hour 7? Would he blow over the limit then if he were pulled over immediately afterwards? Come on, there is too much variance in phrases like "4 beers in 7 hours".
People don't like to be pulled over. I hate when people are pulled over wrongfully (race especially) but it's common that when someone is pulled over they always attack the cop. "This cop pulled me over for going over the speed limit. What a jackass! I wasn't going THAT fast and there was no one else on the road so it didn't matter. Why isn't he out grabbing some purse snatcher or rapist? And then to top it off, he was rude to me!"
Sounds like a few things at work here... You had been drinking, and then you left driving a vehicle after 2am with your lights off. Go ahead and assume that will get you pulled over and suspected of being drunk every time. Whether they are hanging out in the parking lots next door or not. Sounds like you'll end up paying a large sum of money to keep it from being a permanent blemish on your record. Fatty's point seems to be that not only are the limits questionable (they've changed under lobby pressure several times) but the tests are questionable as well (rowdy4life, an administrative officer of said test said himself that it is not reliable and can get you in trouble even when you're not 'intoxicated'). Couple that with a public opinion of "zero tolerance" for something that we HAVE set tolerances for, the chance for overzealous officers following that suit, lawyers standing to make thousands for every "perp" out there that's even confronted about this issue, and the potential for being put in jail for drinking a couple of beers is WAY beyond the possible. The system is at the very least flawed, and at the worst corrupted to line lawyers' pockets and courthouse registers, and reward officers for "making the streets safer". I'm all for drunks being removed from driving on the roads and put in the pokey, but I temper my attitude of that with a dose of reality and don't just assume that everyone who has a drink is a serial killer, as some would have you believe.
depends on his weight actually. im kind of a fatty. 4 beers in 4 hours will do nothing to me. I might piss once.
I agree with this post. I don't think people who drive after having a drink are bad people. Often times though they are making a bad decision. If you really are drunk there need to be consequences. That STILL doesn't mean you are a bad person or that I hate you or that you should die and burn in the fiery pits of hell. I also agree that there is definitely abuse of the system, as there are about all laws that are enforced by human beings. That doesn't mean that the people who actually DO break those laws should be some sort of martyr. "What a crappy police state! I went to a bar and got wasted and some jerk cop was waiting for me when I got out! It wasn't fair! He was out to get me!"
That's probably because you hadn't been drinking. Not to mention, you probably didn't take Rocket River's sage advice and RAGE AGAINST THE MAN by not cooperating with the cop. Look, I’m really not trying to be Mr. Self Righteous here and claim that I’ve never driven home after a couple of beers. Hell, I’ve even been pulled over a few times for speeding (45 in a 35, 65 in a 55) after having a few beers. But both times I was pulled over, I was 100% cooperative with the cop(s) and both times I was allowed to go on my way. One time, the cop even said “go STRAIGHT home…..and I think you know what I mean.” He knew I had had a few beers, but wasn’t really drunk. Since I wasn’t being an indignant a-hole, he let me go. And frankly, the last time I got pulled over, I was literally scared straight. Since that night about a year and a half ago, if I’m driving, I just don’t drink at all. Period. My wife and I take turns being DD when we go out. I just don’t understand this whole “DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE POLICE EVER!!!!!” philosophy. In most cases, you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face. My brother told me a long time ago that swallowing your pride and just saying “yes sir, no sir” will get you a long way when it comes to dealing with the police.
Then you should blow and/or give the blood test if you are ever in this situation if you are confident that you are under the limit.
I think they're talking more about when things take a different turn, as in "step out of the car, please."
Very well said (and you didn't even call anyone any names!). I don't disagree with any of your post. I'm sure there are abuses. I don't go to BW3's in The Woodlands anymore because of those Shenandoah cops. They are really bad. I've heard stories (maybe from this bbs) about them marking the tires of people's cars while they're in BW3's. My only point is that, if you DO get pulled over, it makes no sense to be an a-hole. Just swallow your pride and you have a much better chance of getting a warning, as long as you're not totally wasted - in which case you SHOULD be arrested.
Answer #1; -- Well, I sure as hell don't want to spend 19 hours in a holding cell again, not sleeping, eating S**t food, doing absolutely nothing for hours at a time. Answer #2: And the whole money thing and how much I will lose even if/when I win. Are these good enough answers for you ima?
