If only Pastrorini had been there to punch Robertson every morning, the quality of sports journalism in Houston would have been much improved.
Hakeem never funded terrorism directly or intentionally but was following the Islamic dictate to donate to charity. Unfortunately in the tangled political situation of the Middle East there are complicated associations and many groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have both social welfare wings and violent military wings.
I was making a counterpoint to someone who would immediately retort "I'm sure Warren's ex-wife would disagree". Hakeem's situation, like Moon's, isn't open and shut.. things were muddled and eventually reconciled.. So if someone was looking to be a smart-ass on the BBS they'd say something like that just to prove a cheap point with very little value to it.
reconciled? yeah, they're divorced. btw, does any of this sound "muddled" to you?: from Out of Bounds: Professional Sports Leagues and Domestic Violence Harvard Law Review, Vol. 109, No. 5 (Mar., 1996), pp. 1048-1065: "Felicia Moon told police in a sworn statement that her husband, Minnesota Vikings quarterback Warren Moon, had slapped her in the head, choked her until she "saw black and could not breathe," and pursued her in a high speed car chase." from The NY Times: "WARREN MOON's wife feared for her life when the quarterback attacked her this summer, according to a police affidavit. "I was afraid for my life," FELICIA MOON told the police in Richmond, Tex., as she recounted the July 18 incident. "I saw black and could not breathe." Her statement is in a probable-cause affidavit, obtained by The Houston Chronicle and revealed in yesterday's editions. She said she implored, "Jesus, just help me," in anticipation of the assault." from The Houston Press: At some point in the quarrel, and it was unclear from her testimony at exactly which point, Felicia Moon was in fear and kept repeating, "Jesus just help me, Jesus just help me." Then her testimony turned even more confusing: what was making her afraid, she seemed to say, was the prospect of really losing her temper. She had learned in therapy to watch for those "signals." But there was another reason for her fear: "I thought that he might hit me," she said of her husband. Why? asked the prosecutor. "Because it's happened before," Felicia Moon replied. In later testimony, however, the former English major said her husband really hadn't ever hit her -- it was more "pushing and shoving" and "brushing against" her. from The NY Times: "Court records show that the wife of Warren Moon, the quarterback who is on trial in a case of spousal abuse, filed for a divorce and a restraining order to protect her from her husband in 1986. That contradicts an assertion by Warren and Felicia Moon that an altercation last year was an isolated event in their marriage." from The Houston Press: "(The) district attorney had unearthed a 1986 divorce petition Felicia Moon had lodged in which she claimed that Warren Moon had physically attacked her on three occasions -- including two days before the divorce filing, when he 'beat her with closed fists in the presence of the children.'" yeah, stay classy, warren.
since when was mrs moon more important than warren moon? who's in the hall of fame? worst ex-wives list: ex-mrs sampson ex-mrs maxwell ex-mrs moon
i love how people like to judge people's character based on their personal lives. like sports heroes cant have bad relationships like regular people. warren moon has helped plenty of kids in the community, but he had a bad marriage. i guess people in bad mariage's are evil.
strangling your wife to that point is beyond just being in a bad marriage. repeatedly beating your wife is beyond just being in a bad marriage. the crescent moon foundation is a lovely tax shelter. and he's certainly not all bad...no one is.
yo momma what does that mean, tinman?? felicia moon was strangled to the point she "saw black and could not breathe??" how much longer before she's dead? how much more before that's attempted murder??? how much more before he's driving off in a white bronco at a speed not to exceed 30 mph and interrupting a rockets NBA finals game?? he beat her...according to affidavits it was repeated. barney fife.
Warren Moon is a great role model to all. He is of the most upstanding character and his mold of husbandly duties is the framework for which should be followed by those hereafter. - Ike Turner
i got an idea for you guys, find all the dudes you know with bad relationships or marriages and call them EVIL.
i realize it will fall on deaf ears. but i said before and i'll say again...there is a difference between being in a bad relationship/marriage and strangling your wife. i'm certain you can see the difference, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.
you're wasting your breath, MM. tinman is either ****ing with you or mentally r****ded. unfortunately, far too many people in our society shrug off domestic abuse; it's sickening. the various posts in this thread excusing it make my stomach turn upside down. "yeah, but..." you know what? save it. great, if moon has indeed mended his ways. i'll applaud him for that. but beating your wife in front of your 7-year old child is reprehensible and because of it, regardless of what's happened since, his name belongs nowhere near a list of "classy" athletes no matter of what he accomplished on the football field. it besmirches the names of those who are deserving. [ric steps off soap box]
warren moon's personal life is his personal life. no one knows anything except the stuff that makes the news. if you think warren moon is rolling around town trying to randomly choke random people from it, its your opinion. im giving warren and everyone else the benefit of the doubt that its their business and they need to take care of it. obviously they did take care of it.
it was an affidavit, tinman. it wasn't speculative reporting. it was a sworn statement by his wife. when someone asks to talk about "character", the guy's personal life is absolutely in play. it doesn't mean he was a bad QB...but how i treat my wife is absolutely a reflection of my character.
Whoa--that's just OTT. Where did it go from a "bad marriage" to what Warren did? I made the argument earlier that he doesn't have to be viewed today in the light of what he did 15 years ago, heinous and inexcusable as it was. But you don't just throw it out and call it a "bad marriage". What Warren did was evil. Plain and simple. But, it's also over. I'm glad Felicia is successfully contending for other battered women; at the same time I hope she's not living in bitterness.
If you think my post was excusing this behaviour, you either grossly mischaracterize my position or misunderstand it entirely.
how would i know how you treat your wife or how anyone treats their wife? how do you know that warren moon didnt get treated badly by his wife? so by your definition of learning what happened in his personal life based on the news, he's a bad guy now and forever. so how about learning about every person's personal lives that you meet before you consider them good or evil? lets go around judging people. hey look at that couple together at the mall, i wonder if they have some Walt Disney marriage or if they have some Ike and Tina marriage? its fun judging people's personal life isn't it? i guess thats what kind of society we are.
Actually, our society is tolerant of all the wrong things and intolerant of all the right things. But, this ain't the D&D. To characterize what Moon did as pure evil isn't inaccurate or over the top; it's dead-on accurate. To characterize the man for the rest of his life based on that is a mistake IMO--he could have changed for the better or for the worse.
