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Chapter 9: Jalen "Call Me Daddy" Green

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Oct 31, 2024.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    Things are looking good for Jalen but he has definitely not peaked yet. The team is going to start shooting better one way or another and as a result he's going to find more opportunities in the paint. That's when his numbers will stabilize and we'll see what he was always supposed to become by Year 4. He'll finally be back on track by the end of this chapter.
     
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    Aged well this post like the other 10k where people hype green for 2 or 3 games. Funny they still think green is the next MJ and a frsnchise Player. Green is a bench player in china thats his ceiling.
     
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    November Jalen Green: 5 Games
    32.9% FG
    27.8% 3FG
    14-3-4

    Been a rough go of it... In an attempt to rescue Jalen and Alperen, I think it is time to start Tari at PF. More chaos, more cuts, etc...
     
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    I don't know why, but its either sengun or green plays the better basketball. Not both. They somehow block each other.
    I dont understand why no one in this team is compatible to each other at all. I don't think we have a working 5 and its the reason why green is so inconsistent. Ok he could have been consistent regardless of his teammates but it is what it is. Thats the reason why he did not get max.
     
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    This was quite a short chapter.
     
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    I think he has improved but people obviously never watched Jordan or much of Kobe.

    Those were in another stratosphere completely.

    Jalen reminds me of Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, De'aaron Fox....but even then he is more inconsistent than those names.

     
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    On the bright side Green's contract is tradeable this year.
     
  8. Mathloom

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    Really simple, one plays well fast and one plays well slow. When we play fast like end of last season or early this season, green plays better. When we play slow, Sengun plays better.

    To break this cycle, one of them has to be a good threat from 3PT range. Then they can run PnR and one of them can get out of the way.
     
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    Chapter Annoying as hell - the @Mathloom jinx continues
     
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    Jalens a bucket alright. A bucket of cold water

     
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    Daddy green owning hard in the NBA
     
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    Call me 'November bust' Green.
     
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    This bozo is still making threads while they ban me is all you need to know about how things work around here. Definition of cringe.
     
  14. Mathloom

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    It's time for a conveniently-timed bump :D

    You wanted Green to show you consistency in the first half of the season too rather than be a post-ASB wonder. Well, we've played 37 games almost half a season. For the first time in his career he has a good stretch on both sides of the ball for 20+ games in the first half of the season. A QUARTER of a season of course cannot be called a hot streak and in any case it's not like he's on fire offensively throughout to be called a hot streak. More like a warm, sustained streak.

    Past 21 games (exactly a quarter of an entire season):

    Offense = 50% of time/possessions on court
    21 points on 56% TS%
    44/35/86 shooting splits (on almost EIGHT 3PA, still way too much imo)
    4 FTA
    2.3 assists

    Defense = 50% of time/possessions on court
    Best defense of his life. Above average defense in the past 20 games, average defense before that.

    I know, I know. You're SO mad at him for what you think he owes you so this is not filling that black hole in you. Try to keep it together as we discuss this and just TRY to remember no one is saying this is the end goal or the final destination this season.

    Right now though we sit at the edge of the Jalen Green Experience. If his second half goes the way all his second halves go, this is going to be not only his best offensive season (let's be honest, that's the only thing most of you care about) but also by far the best overall defensive season in his life and as part of a top 5 NBA team in the West. We will have gone from a bad 1st quarter of the season, to a good 2nd quarter to hopefully a great second half > building momentum just in time for the playoffs and showing 82 games of upward progress (granted from a very low point).

    With the addition of Amen to the starting lineup, you're starting to see what happens if there's one other person who can keep up with him on the break. We're stealing 4-5 points from teams that we were never getting - that's a massive swing in net rating that's shielding our injury issues. Things are going well right now for Green and the Rockets. At least half of Jaters have what they wanted: a serious, long chunk of consistency before the ASB. You don't get your 25 points but you get a more efficient and consistent 20 points with good defense and hard work. Ecstatic at where this is headed.

    I have a couple of things to keep an eye on:

    - I'm not putting too much stock in his struggles at home yet, but I hope it's not a symptom of something wrong at home home. It's very odd because he's normally better when he's home. Hopefully it's nothing.
    - Still taking WAY too many 3's and not enough FTA's imo. Unavoidable right now because he's covering for Amen with Jabari's 5 3PA gone.
    - Must get more assists, especially off kick outs and passes to cutters.
     
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    This novel has power creep.
     
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    On the season: 18th in pace
    Last 2 weeks: 8th in pace

    I'm going to keep reminding you that you said pace would not help Green or the athletes on the roster. You were being bitter and stubborn. And we still need more shooting but we improved the situation with the exact same parts despite injuries. They're not just "making more shots" - our TS% has not improved. Just different proportion of types of plays tailored to our personnel. Still dumbfounded you were willing to make that argument.

    Legler makes Sam Vecenie's (Game Theory) analysis of Green look amateur. Listen to Legler who has been harsh on Green too in the past but LOGICAL. He understands in this video Green is primarily an attack-the-rim player. Just because he starts with this base assumption, listen to how much his analysis aligns with our actual statistics.

    Sam Vecenie had you believing Green should mold himself into primarily a 3pt shooter - and so you felt like it's so unlikely this would work obviously. Nevermind that he was intentionally cherry-picking a stat about halfcourt finishing in the most packed paint in the NBA. Like expecting a fish to fly, and then getting mad that it doesn't. Like being mad that a Tesla isn't as loud as a truck. You have to know what you're assessing. So when Jalen Green surprises you, remember that you're only surprised because of the Sam Vecenies of the world. If you had just looked at the actual narrative in our franchise, the actual behaviors on and off the court, we just had a skinny rim-attack guy with no fundamentals thrown into 2 years of being allowed to exercise every bad habit. There was never any possibility you can fix that or turn it around quickly. That's a lifetime of uninterrupted bad habits. College players at least get some discipline for a year. It was not even certain that it's salvageable yet here we are, on a good consistent quarter of a season worth of games, nervously headed to wards the infamous second half.
     
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    I think the only way pace helps Jalen is it helps him score against unset defenses. He needs to learn to be successful at that to excel at a playoff setting. One of the things that have been puzzling to me until recently is how timid he’s been playing through contact even though it looked like he’d figured it out during last year’s post-ASB stretch. Last few games he’s shown improvements there but I’m curious now whether he needs to get really amped up or get concerned about being traded or something to turn on his aggressiveness. Also still depends too much on high volume shooting, and I don’t super believe in a shooting leap out of nowhere mid-season for any player tbh.
     
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    I hope he is not jinxed by this bump. Terrible time to tempt bball fate.
     
  20. Mathloom

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    Hahaha he would have been jinxed long ago if that was possible.
     

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