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Chapter 6: Green & Redemption

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Apr 5, 2023.

  1. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    I still don't get the point then.
     
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    Yes that's what I said.
     
  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Ok, cool.
     
  4. TheRealist137

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    Except it's not accurate. Once KPJ turns 23 in May, there will be 9 months that KPJ is 23 while Jalen is 21. Meanwhile there are only 3 months where KPJ is 22 and Jalen is 21.

    So your argument is literally only "accurate" 3 months of the year.
     
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    So, you're telling me that KPJ isn't 22 and Jalen isn't 21?

    Or is it that you're telling me next season Jalen won't turn 22 and KPJ will be 23?

    Also, since all of our really smart posters here decided KPJ was a finished product at 22 (some at 21)....does that mean we need to wait till Green is 45 to make that determination?

    You know, we just want to remain consistent.
     
  6. TheRealist137

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    And are you telling me that KPJ doesn't have 2 more years of NBA experience than Jalen which is consistent with the fact that they are 2 years apart in age? No matter how much you say, those are the facts.
     
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    KPJ has 1188 minutes more NBA experience than Jalen Green. Given Jalen's normal playing time, he'll have that 35 games into next season.


    So again, do we wait 5 more years to view Jalen as you view KPJ today? 10? What would you think is "fair"?

    How much more NBA experience will Jalen need to be compared to KPJ at 22?
     
  8. peleincubus

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    By game 25 or 30 next season, Green will pass up Porter in total points. By the time they retire, Green will have double the points. More wins. More playoff wins. More win shares. Overall more success.

    Depending on Porter's maturity level next year (it being a very important year for his future career) and how he self manages the inevitable changes that are coming to the team and his status as a starter on this team or another. Green could end up with 4-5 times the amount of points.

    Carry on
     
  9. Bobbythegreat

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    Feel free to hold your breath, it's not impossible that you could be right.

    I think KPJ would love it if Jalen started being a decent basketball player, maybe then KPJ would stop getting double teams thrown at him more frequently than Lebron James if that happened.
     
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    Evan Mobley is getting exposed in 4k
     
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    Jalen drifting from his defensive effort is what brought him here. Guys who pick up more rebounds and assists have that to fall back on when they don't play defense (Harden, KPJ). For Jalen defense is a much bigger part of his necessary output and him not taking the effort seriously last season has clearly put a target on his back from within and outside the organization.

    Having said that, it is absolutely idiotic for the front office to force 3 seasons of extreme losing (regardless of effort) and then when their 20 yr old player loses motivation in that window under a coach they deemed incompetent for the job.... they decide to trade him? For Jaylen Brown - essentially a lower-ceiling Jalen Green.

    Hopefully Green is able to weather the stupidity (if these reports are true anyway) and get a chance to show what he can do in some semblance of a system with accountability for wins.
     
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    dont bother reasoning with booby he still cant differentiate that the expectation of a 4th year player should b higher than a 2nd year.

    Man is stubborn thinking that kpj and green are peers of the same draft class or something b/c they are "close" in age and that kpj overrall mins is close to green.

    U compare folks by how many years they played in the league doing anything else is just being disingenuous in trying to push a narrative.

    Green in his 2nd year is progressing way much further along than kpj at his 2nd year. It wouldn't b too farfetched to believe Green in his 4th year with ime as his hc will b much better than kpj when he played his 4th year.
     
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    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

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    JG's scoring isn't what gives us any grief. I don't think anybody minds hiding him on the weakside either, basically every team does that with their premier scorer. He's just got to be accountable when called on. I think he showed up a bit more towards the end of the season and I'm certainly interested to see if Udoka can be the leader everyone wants.
     
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    Evan Mobley is what he is. Charmin soft tweener 5 that can't shoot and would watch Jabari Smith bang his girl.
     
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    He's one of the best defensive players in the league already and he's not even 22. People here go out of their way to make youth an excuse for Jalen Green who is one of the worst defensive players in the entire league and is a low efficiency volume chucker on offense.

    I know some feel the need to cope over the fact that Mobley is clearly better than either of the Rockets last 2 top 3 picks, but it's a bad look.
     
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    Mobley is on a better team. It is hard to quantify who is the better player in a vacuum. I will say that the Cavs were one of the worst defenses in the league last year when Allen was injured and Mobley gets routinely exposed when he has to play bigger players with strength.
     
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    He's on a better team AND he's a considerably better player.
     
  20. Vudu

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    Like I said that's hard to quantify. I don't think Mobley looks very good on the Rockets. He would have to isolate more, he would have far less protection on defense and he would have to play against centers more often. Are you sure this isn't a situation where you're going overboard because you don't like how people look at KPJ so you're being overly harsh on another player to compensate? I notice the same about Sengun from some people here. You don't have to be unfair to another player to make a point...
     
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