Disparaging someone else's research, whilst at the same time saying Jalen Green is a superstar, is peak comedy.
I don't think I've seen a single poster (granted, I do have the KPJ clan all ignored because their stupidity was too much to take) state they don't want Green to get better, or succeed, or not be coached. I am a very big believer in Green isn't all that, I acknowledge when he plays well, and have said repeatedly that him not panning out is a disaster for the franchise, so of course I want him to be infinitely better than what he's shown. I've seen others express this same sentiment. I've yet to see someone actively claim they hope he never gets better.
I think that's an absurdly low bar. So many people can have extreme hate of a player and insincerely just post "I hope he gets better".
This. if you are talking down to people or irrationally always propping yourself up while ******** on a player, it becomes a little sincere when you attempt to balance it out by just claiming of course you want them to get better. Especially when there is very little detailed feedback.
I think you meant to say insincere. Also, no, I don't just claim I want Jalen to get better. There are numerous posts from me which specifically state IN DETAIL what he has done well and what I think he should focus on. Hopefully some posters get better too
He’s a superstar and they should trade every pick they have for the next 3 years to acquire him. SUPERSTAR!
Lmao this is so loaded. You do say you hope he gets better for the rockets sake, but its always in a condescending "but that wont happen" type of way. You literally refuse to ever accept where he plays decent outside of whether he makes shots or not. You refuse to accept his defense. You down play his passing. Every time anyone tries to say something positive about Jalen, your first or second in line to dismiss it. Your blinders are way too dark to see clearly. Only when he shoots well, do you ever say he played ok. Even then its not even genuine joy. I dont think ive ever seen you post with joy at all in regards to Jalen. Except when he has a bad game, you will joyfully parade around saying how terrible he is.
The only people I talk down to are those that are so ridiculous with their delusional BS that they deserve to be talked down to. When he plays well, I praise him for it, Amen he plays poorly, I criticize.... just like with every other player. Does this lead to more criticism than praise? If course, he's been a pretty terrible player his whole career... but that's not my fault. I don't have the weird emotional attachment to Jalen Green that his superfans do, to me, he's just another player.... and he's something like the 8th best player on the current team. Was it awesome that he shot over 50% from 3 in 3 games? Of course, but I don't think that fluke hot steak really changes my outlook on him long term. He's always been streaky... so nothing really changed. Would I like those 3 games to signal that he's changing from Gerald Green into Klay Thompson? Of course! Am I really naive enough to believe that? No. So he's going to have to prove this is more than just another fluke hot steak like he's had many times before only to come crashing back to earth.
This may be true but it doesn't resolve the issue. I can come and tell you I want Jabari to succeed but insist that the worst case scenario is the most likely to unfold and that you're a homer for thinking otherwise. Is that REALLY me rooting for Jabari with my own personal opinion? Possibly, but the opinion of a person who only sees things going south is not valuable at all. It's kind of ridiculous really. Like when you hear "HE HAD TWO YEARS" when everyone was saying before he was drafted "he will need a few years". I've described it before like when you tell a kid in the morning we're going to the theme park at 6pm. Subsequently, every single hour he complains that we've not gone yet. You say "well, it was always going to be at 6pm" and the kid says "how many times are you going to use this excuse? it's been HOURS!!". You say "it's not an excuse, I'm answering your question. We're going at 6pm, nothing will change that, and in fact if **** goes wrong (Silas) we may be late too." Kid starts kicking and screaming till 5:59pm. Then at 6pm when we eventually get there "Who would've thunk it, we actually went at 6pm". I DID lol. I thunk it. There's plenty to be critical of with Jalen, but most Jalen critics are in a default pattern. They didn't want him to begin with so coupled with intentionally delayed development, I can understand why they're in a tantrum when Jalen has a bad stretch. I don't understand why they put themselves in this situation though.
Was watching the Bradeaux/Will podcast recapping our young core. Will made a great point about Jalen: this is arguably the best 3-game stretch of his career. That's not just another 3-game scoring stretch from Jalen. That's a milestone, although a small one. Let me explain. He has had better 3-game stretches offensively in the past. But during this streak he's highly efficient, averaging 25+ points, moving the ball quickly making good passes, playing some of the best defense of his career so far and within the fabric of a winning team. That's new and doesn't show up in the boxscore or highlights. I don't need him to stay this hot (20+ points on above average efficiency would be fine) because it's not sustainable, but I would like to see him do this for a longer stretch.
I gotta admit the 3rd quarter against the pathetic Pistons made me think how things could be with Alpi and Jalen completely taking over a game. We'll see where Jalen goes from here.
5 game stretch: 22 points on 16.4 shots (43/48.9/wtf61.1 splits) 5.8 rebounds 2.8 assists 1.8 TO He's a +4 despite a losing record Nothing mind blowing but this is where we hopefully start seeing some consistency and slow gradual week to week growth. He's just a different player on the court than he was last season. Watch a game from last season. Overall he's defending better (team and individual), giving more effort, moving better off ball, passing the ball better and turning it over less. Not to say he's necessarily great at all these things but he's undoubtedly doing ALL of them better. He seems to have figured out a better offensive diet too. Perhaps with his frame it's a losing fight to get him to carry us by finishing through contact. Maybe that's more of a 1 year project than a 2 month project. We do have a promising coaching staff in terms of shooting, maybe we should invest our time there more. Getting better from 3 would make his drives easier anyway. Alpi is giving us more deep 2's than almost anyone gets from their C. Jalen favoring 3's may be more complimentary. It seems like in the film session Udoka referenced, the big eye opener has been: he had been passing on a lot of open 3PT shots the moment he catches it. No dribble, just catch and shoot. This is what has underpinned the 5-game stretch. It can't be your whole diet but opponents are giving that to him and Alpi/FVV need him to drill those for spacing. Defensively he's been better in these 5 games than his previous 5 games but the rest of the team is dipping defensively (injuries too). I feel like we're at halftime of a good stretch. Would love to see this for ten games and please don't freak out if he has 2 or 3 bad games out of ten. We'll be exactly at the halfway point of the season while he's peaking and the possibility of a big second half from him (I think he's done this both his first two seasons). Things are looking good. Can't wait for roster to be fully healthy again + young guys making strides. The cavalry is coming. Love it.
He's throwing up a lot more 3's and making them. Mixed bag of play making, drives are still 50/50 he gets stripped, lose his handle, awkward layup etc.
Hahahahahahahhahaha. It's amazing how someone else just knows what other posters mean by the words that they don't say. (or it might just be that you're a clown and you form your own conclusions) You say I refuse to accept his defense? YOU'RE F*CKING RIGHT i DO. BECAUSE HE IS ATROCIOUS AT IT. Oh there you go with the just making things up again. I only think he plays well when he shoots well? I HAVE LITERALLY SAID MULTIPLE TIMES I DON'T EVER TAKE INTO ACCOUNT HIS SHOOTING WHEN I SAY HE PLAYS WELL. You absolute clown. No I say he plays well when he stops being an instant turnover and stops driving. Or stops trying to play and 1 basketball around the perimeter. Or the very few and far between times he has moved off the ball. OR... STAY WITH ME HERE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BLOW YOUR MIND. When his defensive mistakes from the first half don't carry over to the second half and he only has a handful of bad reads instead of the smorgasbord he typically has. I'd not post again about me and Jalen for a while, unless next time you're going to not riddle your comment with lies (and very, very easy to disprove ones as well. It's almost like you aren't aware people can go back and look at my previous posts about Jalen) because boy oh boy do you look foolish.
Defensively might be improved, but offensively he's definitely not improved much if at all. This is not just on him as we rarely set him up for good off the ball plays and there's little to no cutting from him so likely not encouraged by Ime. There's no blame here, Green is young and comes off 3 years of Silas street ball. Steve Francis, a 2 time All-Star, was effectively worse under JVG after 4 years under Rudy T. He had his worst season statistically, dropped from 21 PPG to 16.6 and if you watched it, it was very obvious he kept playing street ball, which just did not work and we saw him get worse each season after that, even though his first year in Orlando he got to do his thing and he played well. The positive is, Green IS TRYING, unlike Steve who just sought out confrontation and couldn't let go of the past. He got traded, kept playing street ball in Orlando, so he got traded again right after and had a very short career that unravelled quickly. He never went beyond being who he was, a one-man AND-1 show who relied on athleticism more so than anything. So while Jalen might still get there, he has plenty of time, I do think Ime needs to do something about the offense and Green hopefully will grow. Especially in terms awareness, passing to FVV who has his back turned last night was pretty bad, and handles that really need to tighten up. Using his body to finish at the rim too as I do fear he's relying on his athleticism too much, which is why he can get away with some cupping, palming and those fade away shots.
You just hate green or your flat out stupid with regards to defense because hes just not atrocious. Hes not Gary payton, hes not dillon brooks but hes a solid team defender, on a top defense. Probably just an average defender in regards to the league, but coming from where he was, yeah big improvement. You just will. not. accept. that hes grown into a solid enough defender to start on a top defense. well you sure say he played like shiit every time he doesnt shoot well. Doesnt matter if he rebounds, doesnt matter if he has assists, doesnt matter if he defends well(you never think he does anyways). The turnovers are so damn blown out of proportion. its definitely an issue, and his handle needs work but good lord the way people talk you think he would be averaging like 5 a game. Hes avg just over 2 a game. 1 turnover a half. thats it. you would be SHOCKED if you looked around the league at how many players avg more a game. lul...
Again not a great game just a decent one, but this 6 game stretch is a nice bit of consistency where the lows aren't too low. He's basically stopped sabotaging himself with things he's (on average) not good at. Going to the FT line 5 times and only 1 TO is something he's rarely been good at doing. Last 6 games: 21 points on 16 shots. Splits are 45/45/70 and FTA/FT% improved. We all know that FT% and 3PT% will normalize, but it's a good place to be. Let's keep building on this.
