He’s so bad at reading the court. I’m not sure why people think he’s been better at passing. He literally makes the same pass every time. He gets a pick and roll and hits the roll man with a pocket. That’s it. He can’t manipulate the defender with his eyes, doesnt change the angle, doesn’t hit the skip (usually isn’t there since everyone knows to play drop and let him try to do his bullshit levitate to the rim and pray game). If he gets the ball in open court he tries to go at the defender by just wildly jumping into him. No thought about changing speed or snaking defenders. He just jumps. The kid just plays instinctively. It’s gonna take a major shakeup for him to turn into a starter. People will point to guys like White and Suggs figuring it out. The thing is those guys had something they’re good at. White had shooting. Suggs was always a dynamic defender. What is Green actually good at?
Also, the amount of times he doesn't make the pass when he should, and then when he does make the pass it's when the receiver is in a terrible position in relation to the defense around him, is absolutely astonishing. (this is usually Sengun.. which I'm fearful is a greater issue than Green's terrible decision making) Very rarely does he actually make the correct pass at the correct time. Also, pay attention to how he passes the ball to others vs Sengun. He loves throwing a nonchalant one handed pass to Sengun inside the arc which Sengun has to change his positioning to get. Yet he can somehow make the forecful two handed pass to Bari and Brooks. He does so many negative little things that are not reflected in the box score - that are just so downright abysmal as a professional basketball player.
To be fair on that guy (I had to read the ignored content to see what you were quoting) 10 x 0 is still zero. So technically, he's right in that he's ten times better!!!
yes, correct. The pocket pass is OK, and that's not a small feat, many score-first guards struggle with that. But, yeah, not much creation beyond that. You bring Coby White and Suggs, so I checked their numbers. White is making a leap, they should move on from LaVine. But, holy-moly, Suggs shooting numbers are soooo much improved!!! He was so atrocious in Year One, now he's a legit shooter! Given his defense and tenacity, I'd have to re-assess him in the 2021 re-draft rankings. Jalen Green may end-up the worst Jalen in that draft, as both Suggs and Johnson seem to be passing him over.
After last night his FG% is down to 39.6% and his 3 point % is down to 32.5% TS% down to 52 4% His defense has improved but overall he's just really bad at basketball.
Jalen has worked on adjusting his shot this offseason which is causing a lot of these issues. His FT % has actually increased. Rockets need to ride out the rest of the year of course, but it still doesn't look good moving forward.
Ever since this was released it's been downhill for Jalen. I honestly think it messed him up mentally. Also, is JC even in the league anymore?
He's currently in the G league for the Jazz where he's scoring 17 points per game on less than 30% 3 point shooting. He went from being Jalen's bottom to his career hitting rock bottom.
great analysis. the only positives I would counter with are: getting back. Last couple of years you could see him quite often just leisurely jog back on D, with zero zeal or urgency. being more aware of screens and trying to dance around them. less of the "mosquito / windshield" approach to screens.
This. The notion that Jalen’s offensive regression and inefficiency is more than offset by his defensive improvement is simply laughable and shows a clear lack of watching the actual games unfold.
He looks as bad offensively as he was early in his rookie season. When's the last time he scored over 20 points and had a "good" game? Denver? It's a shame to see the regression/lack of improvement but the reality is not all draft picks work out. I suspect he'll have the rest of the year (or trade deadline at least) to show us enough to keep him around another season.
the amount of copium on both sides of the jalen arguement is staggering. Last night he controlled the rock and facilitated the offense a lot, and because of that his faults were GLARING. He is not good enough to be the main ball handler. This is why fred plays 40+ a night. He had way too many turnovers and his handle is just too sloppy to be the main faciliatator. He also still couldnt make a shot because he is in a severe drought rn. The only thing he had going for him was his ability to draw fouls but that same aggressiveness on repeat lead to too many turnovers. Last night his defense was ok early but worse late, prolly in his head about the mass turnovers and sloppy play. inexcusible and got benched. theres no defending last nights game, he was bad. but on the otherside, just too much blind disapointment going on; to where fans fail to acknowledge growth and improvement. the one thing he hasnt improved on is his "supposed strengths" and i think this is why people are so mad. they expected him to become a dominate harden esque scorer. newsflash, he wont be and people gotta let that go. its not the improvement plan or trajectory he is taking. Hes trying to become an all around contributor at the 2. hes been focusing on defense and trying to become a winning player. he has done that. hes much better at secondary passing, just not as much improvement passing when he is in attack mode. hes much better defensively. he is a positive defender, and people saying otherwise just dont want to believe it or they lock on to a mistake he makes and judge his entire defense on that one play. this team is a tope defense WITH jalen, not despite him. he deserves credit. his rebounding is much better, hes being pushed to grab the defensive boards and push the rock and he has responded as such. with his athleticism he could have more if he had tari's tenacity. on the pro Jalen side, the copium of potential is still way too high. Hes not gonna be the guy, ever. He at best could be a #2 guy, likely a #3 guy. he is taking the necassary steps to be that high level # 3 guy, with his all around game. but to expect him to be ant or book should be laid to rest. if you stop thinking or pretending he is going to be the savior, from both sides of the coin, you will realize he isn't playing that bad but not great. Hes currently a top role player for us. and in that role hes playing pretty well besides his shiit efficiency. if he was efficient, in some hypothetical world, he would be having an amazing season because of how much hes grown elsewhere. but hes not and so hes just been having an ok year. disapointing sure, but hes playing his role well. starting to doubt udoka is just silly. in no world does anyone here know this team or how to coach them and handle its rotations better than udoka. and to suggest otherwise is just stupid. as long as ime trusts Jalen, im going to trust jalen. as long as jalen is a rocket, im going to root for him. some of you folks are way too homer on him. some of you folks are acting like jazz fans in regards to him. tl:dr- merry christmas
People are "mad" because he's bad at everything. His defense has massively improved....so now he's just a bad defender instead of one of the worst in the league. He's not a creator, he's not a ball handler, he's not a shooter, he's not a defender.....he's just bad at everything other than running quickly and jumping high. Fans understandably expect more from a guy their team wasted the #2 overall pick in the draft on in his 3rd season. By now there should be something, ANYTHING he's actually good at. It's made even worse with other young guys like Sengun and Smith playing so well...so the youth excuse fails, the "system" excuse fails, the "you have to wait 20 years for a player to develop" excuse fails. At this point he doesn't belong on the court more often than not and he's still starting....that's why fans are "mad". Fans were mad about Martin Maldonado starting at catcher for the Astros for the same reason. When you are terrible, and starting anyway, it makes fans mad.
Imo Donovan Mitchell is a perfect fit and makes this team a contender. High basketball IQ, he's a great passer, good shooter, solid defender, deadly in transition, would open up multiple pick and roll capabilities all over the floor and him with FVV is a top 3 backcourt in the league. I don't know what it would take to get him but more than likely at minimum would involve Amen Thompson
