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Chapter 6: Green & Redemption

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Apr 5, 2023.

  1. O-dawg

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    https://www.si.com/nba/rockets/news/houston-rockets-jalen-green-off-season-development-stephen-silas

    "Green has a desire to maintain his efficient scoring, but his next priority is to have a more extensive impact on the court with his playmaking and defense."

    "The year-two lessons for Green have expanded on the blueprint he obtained from coach Stephen Silas at the start of his rookie year.

    Silas created a blueprint by compiling over 20 years of notes after working alongside future All-Stars Stephen Curry, Baron Davis, Luka Doncic, LeBron James and Kemba Walker.

    Each player's career has gone on its respective trajectory. But the hardships and disappointments from their first two seasons helped shape prosperous careers, similar to Green's desires when looking towards the future."

    The kid definitely knows what his weaknesses are and it's comforting to hear that 1. he has a plan and 2. intends to focus on said weaknesses during the offseason.

    Also agree that though Silas was not the right coach for this young team, it doesn't mean that he didn't do some good and I too look forward to what our young players development will look like with more structure, discipline, and accountability.
     
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    Jabari Chapter 5: I'm not Black Ryan Anderson, you'll soon see.
     
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    I know they are just re-quoting the one quote from the other day, but I hope the new coach quickly lets Jalen know his scoring wasn't efficient this season. He will have to get more efficient AND get better at defense.

    Don't worry about Jalen's playmaking if we're getting a PG, that's a lesser problem for a SG and not a necessity for any championship team. Your SG can be a SG, there's no issue with that. Kevin Durant, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Kawhi Leonard have not had issues winning while trusting a professional floor general. That's Jalen's player type on offense. He's not the now-fading triple double generation where every PG has to score and every SG wants to run the offense. He's more old school.

    The game is HALF offense and HALF defense. Defense is half of all possessions in an NBA game. Offense is the other half. Playmaking (aside from scoring) is a sub-category of offense, so it cannot possibly be more important than all of defense. Defense is 50% of the game. Playmaking at most for a SG like Jalen will be 15-20% of the time.

    Hope we get a coach in soon so he can guide everyone over the summer.
     
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    so many people were on Scottie Barnes’ nuts last year

    fast forward to year 2, and he averages 7 less ppg than Green and is also less efficient than Green while playing on a much better team

    I hope the Rockets are relevant next year so we can see Jalen Green ball out in a big play-in or playoff game
     
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    watch your back. BBG doesn't like posters to say anything positive things about Green on here.
     
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    Evan Mobley killed it with 8 points in 38 minutes in his playoff debut

    meanwhile it was the prolific scorer Donovan Mitchell who was carrying the team

    can’t wait for the Rockets to make the playoffs so that Jalen Green can show that there’s levels to this
     
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    Add the starting line ( inspired by Murphy/Samuel Beckett).

    Green shone, having no alternative.
     
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    bucket getters matter
     
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    Green's last 41 games featured:

    - 6.3 FTA per game
    - 35% on 3's on 7.3 attempts
    - 3.8 assists per game
    - 22.6 points on 18.2 shots

    These are stunning numbers for a 21 year old to achieve despite the GM and Coach systematically choking the team out and denying us a floor general. Almost every player on the roster shot 2-3% worse from 3pt range than expected and that's artificial. We had the worst floor spacing in the NBA as a result and that was only allowed to persist for tanking and player development. That's going away even if we keep Silas but sign a vet PG.

    Imagine what happens when you add 5-10lbs of muscle, an experienced coach who will get him better shots and a damn floor general. What is Green going to look like with a floor general, good spacing and at least occasional 5-out offense? What about a few transition points from having a competent defense and rim protector? I already can't wait for next season. Sad for people who can't see what's coming.
     
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    Just for fun... Donovan Mitchell's first two seasons...

    PPG: 20.5 & 23.8
    FGA: 17.2 & 19.9
    TS%: 54.1 & 53.7
    FG%: 43.7 & 43.2
    3PT%: 34.0 & 36.2
    % of shots that were 3's: 40.4% & 33.9%
    2PT%: 50.2 & 46.8
    Reb: 3.7 & 4.1
    Ast: 3.7 & 4.2
    TO: 2.7 & 2.8
    Usage: 29.1 & 31.6
    FG% at the rim: 63.8 & 61.9

    And Jalen Green's...

    PPG: 17.3 & 22.1
    FGA: 14.2 & 17.9
    TS%: 54.7 & 53.8
    FG%: 42.6 & 41.6
    3PT%: 34.3 & 33.8
    % of shots that were 3's: 48.0% & 40.8% (*partly why overall FG% was slightly lower)
    2PT%: 50.2 & 47.1
    Reb: 3.8 & 3.9
    Ast: 3.0 & 3.9
    TO: 2.3 & 2.8
    Usage: 23.7 & 28.1
    FG% at the rim: 68.0 & 59.1

    Mitchell was 21 & 22 years old for the majority of those seasons & had 65 games at Louisville prior to playing in the NBA.

    Jalen Green was 19 & 20 years old the majority of those seasons & had 15 G-League games with Brian Shaw.

    Many have established how similar he's been to Booker in their first two seasons. There's a few others as well.
     
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    It is not the other player's fault for playing more college games or for being older.

    Not everyone comes in at 18 or 19.

    For all you know a younger player coming in got more time in the NBA meaning they have more time plateauing in the NBA as well.

    That is the one thing people overlook, you got more seasons in the NBA, you could also get more time screwing up or being just at status quo.
     
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    Not saying it's anyone's fault. Simply saying Mitchell was likely more prepared & definitely likely more mature (mentally, emotionally and definitely physically). As far as that goes you can throw out the age and college experience and simply look at how similar they performed in many areas.

    Mitchell was without question in a better situation and on a better team as Utah won 48 & 50 games. He got a taste of the playoffs immediately in his rookie season. Yet with an increase in usage much less than what Green saw, still had his efficiency drop a bit, as did Green. (gasp! lol)

    When someone shows how similar a rookie or 2nd year player performed to another player in their 1st or 2nd season, it doesn't mean they feel it's destiny that young player will be as good or better. It simply shows what's likely when it's similar players/styles, or at the very least, possible.

    It also shows that contrary to what a few seem to think, a player is rarely who he's going to be after his rookie and/or 2nd seasons.
     
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    I am not saying Green can't overtake Don eventually but these one thing Green can't compete with.

    I am sure Spida's first team was near the Playoffs almost every year.

    Jazz.
     
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    Absolutely. He joined a much better, established team that won 51 games the season before he was drafted.

    I think that would actually reflect better on Green's first two seasons, being able to put up extremely similar numbers on a terrible team with nowhere near the veteran leadership, coaching or experience.
     
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    I also think Mitchell is special because he is one of those short players that became elite scorers.

    Like an Allen Iverson, he is 6 ft 1 slightly taller only.

    Green is more in the Booker mold for sure.
     
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    Yeah, I can somewhat agree with that. I do think Green is more like the Iverson/Mitchell types with his explosiveness and driving ability. Booker is more of a shooter. With Green's ability to elevate I would love to see him develop that back to the basket game like Booker has. Just not sure he'll ever have enough sand in the pants though.

    Not sure he can ever become the shooter Booker is. But fwiw, in his 2nd season Booker shot 38.1% from both 10-16 feet as well as 16 feet to the 3 point line. Mitchell shot 48.0% & 40.7% from those distances in his 2nd season while JG shot 46.7% & 36.8% from those spots. So maybe he could actually develop that turnaround game. We've seen it several times, just not consistently.

    Gonna be fun to see how he grows and develops.
     
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    Jalens at Coachella…. Obviously working on his game.

    @Snow Villiers
     
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    Spyda is great but Mobley is pretty good, too. That team has no bench, however. Bad game from LeVert and other than him there’s hardly a playoff rotation player on that bench.
     
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