LOL, so in your mind, the only reason Evan Mobley....one of the best individual defensive players in the entire league, was a DPOY candidate and first team all defense was due to his team being good? If that's the case, how come no one else on his team made either all defense team? I get it, you want to downplay the actual accomplishments of others the same way you want to make excuses for the shortcomings of other players. I guess I get it from a homer standpoint, but it's a really bad look and just shreds your credibility.
I have made no excuses for any players here, i'm just saying that Mobley is not the messiah everyone thinks he is and there is context behind that, just like there's context to everything in sports. You did not address the fact that Mobley was bad all around in the playoffs and it coincided with his team collapsing. You did not address how you think taking Mobley as is and putting him on the Rockets makes them so much better defensively. I also did not see any counter points to "his team helps him" which has been proven. We may differ in opinions, which is fine, but my points are at least supported by actual facts and stuff.
You're trying to tear down actually good players in a thread about a player so many have had to bend over backwards trying to make excuses for why he sucks despite the hype....it's pretty transparent. As to the playoffs, it's true, he didn't play very well in the playoffs....but if he was as bad as either of the two top 3 picks the Rockets got the last 2 years, the Cavs wouldn't have made the playoffs at all.....so it's kind of a weird avenue of attack you are choosing. I get it though, you want to defend scrubs while tearing down quality players. it's a "hater" tactic, you think by tearing those of actual quality down it makes the scrubs look better by comparison. Unfortunately, that's not really how it works.
Just so you know, it is completely possible to talk about one player without having another one in mind. This discussion about Mobley is unrelated to Green. The point i'm making since the first post is that Mobley is not the answer to any of the Rocket's problems, hence the reason i talked about his current situation as a reference, and that has nothing to do with Jalen being the real solution or not. I did not think i needed to explain that. Edit: I also have not implied or insinuated Mobley is a bad player. He is not.
Right, right, it was just a coincidence that you were trying to downplay the accomplishments of BY FAR the best player from the 2021 NBA draft, in a thread dedicated to making excuses for the guy who is #20 in win shares (#38 in WS/48) in the 2021 class. Even if I take you at your word, saying that a 21 year old who is already one of the best defensive players in the entire league isn't an answer to any of the Rockets' problems.....one of the worst defensive teams in the league. I mean, really? Look, it's okay, I think we can admit this debate ended a LONG time ago and just hope that one day Green eventually becomes a halfway decent player without feeling the need to try and tear down other vastly superior players.
That's on you if you don't want to believe me. I have made literally no mentions of Jalen Green and have not once said Mobley sucks, it just so happened that i stumbled onto your comment in this specific thread. I guess addressing stuff about a player means you're ******** on them when you're a follower. And no, i don't think Mobley solves anything on the Rockets. That is not his fault tho and i have never said the contrary.
Okay, we'll take you at your word here....so tell me why you think adding by far the best player from the 2021 draft who is already one of the best defensive players in the entire league.....a player that Cleveland wouldn't trade for ANY combination of players currently on the Rockets roster, wouldn't solve any of the problems on a team with absolutely no top tier talent. I'll wait.
We'd still be absolutely awful both defensively and offensively. Mobley is not a great offensive player but he's very good defensively, however, the team defense is so bad that i believe Mobley wouldn't make any meaningful difference. Mobley is great and all but no one from that draft would have really changed the current situation.
Jesus Christ 49% ts with the Clint Capella lob threat rim runner role. That's absurdly pathetic. Capella by 22 had a better offensive game than Mobley and people wanted to draft him number 2 overall? Imagine 21 year old Capella without Harden. That is Mobley on the Rockets with KPJ and Nix creating his looks.
But adding one of the best defensive players in the entire league would go a long way towards making the team defense better. Would he completely make up for how terrible Jalen Green is defensively? No, but having Mobley and Jabari on the court could be enough to get the Rockets back towards the middle of the league defensively. Obviously offense would still be a problem, but the team would overnight no longer be a tanking team with the addition of just one legitimate top tier talent. Adding a top tier player like that makes THAT much of a difference, hopefully we win the draft lottery and have a chance to finally add a guy like that.
So you are writing off a player forever based on a 5 game sample in their first every playoff experience.....while at the same time not going a single day without making excuses for a guy who has been outright horrible for 2 straight seasons. Well, it's certainly on brand for you.
What i learnt from the Cavs playoffs run was that J.B. Bickerstaff is every bit the bad coach i always thought he was. Thing is, we would depend on Jabari and Mobley being able to guard the other team's best players and those matchups don't come too often. Sure, we could go more in depth but that's way too long a discussion about all the minor details. When we face perimeter teams, a play style many teams are moving to, Mobley's deffensive prowess won't be felt. That's why i said he wouldn't make any significant difference. I get where you are coming from but i just think it's a much deeper issue.
You realize he can defend essentially 1-5 right? That's part of what makes him so special. That's why he'll probably stay on the NBA all defense team for the majority of his career, there's not many players who have the defensive impact he does.
He can be a presence and not get abused guarding smaller players, but being a presence and being a stopper are two different things. Don't get me wrong, you are right in saying he will be a great defensive player for years to come, my counter argument is the reason i stand by saying that he wouldn't be as impactful in an all around trash defense.
It's just the opposite, something good in a trash heap looks even better due to their surroundings. He'd be by far the best player if he was on the Rockets. There's a lot of guys that can look good when they are on terrible teams that simply disappear when they are on good teams. Someone who stands out on a good team is a rare player.
He’s OK, but two years-in there is no one in this draft who feels like a future All-NBA player… “Best draft since 2003" my a$$! If I squint hard I can probably see Sengun or Giddey maybe getting there. There may also be late bloomers, like Jaylen Brown or Brunson, down the road. But so far hugely disappointing draft class.
Giddey would be a worse version of KPJ on the Rockets. Trust me. He already scores less efficiently than Green next to a superstar with far better spacing and not being the center of defensive attention. So odd choice with Giddey. I'm higher on Cade than Giddey. Healthy Cade at least has similar burden of Jalen being the primary scoring option and having to self create against set half court defenses with poor spacing. So he has an excuse for his career 51% ts.
