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Chapter 2: Welcome to The Jalen Green Experience

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mathloom, Feb 27, 2022.

  1. steddinotayto

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    For those who love eFG% as a barometer on how to judge players:

    eFG% for guards in their rookie seasons (filter: eFG >49%, PPG 16%)

    1. Steph Curry: 53.5%
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    8. Donovan Mitchell: 50.6%
    9. Damian Lillard: 50.1%
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    12. Jalen Green: 49.9%
    13. Luka Doncic: 49.7%
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    18. Brandon Roy: 49.2%
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    20. Anthony Edwards: 48.8%
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    24. Trae Young: 48%
     
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    I love those kind of posts… can you fill in the rest of the top 10?
     
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    1. Steph Curry 53.5%
    2. Magic Johnson 53.4%
    3. Eric Gordon 52.9%
    4. Walter Davis 52.6%
    5. Michael Jordan 51.8%
    6. Kyrie Irving 51.7%
    7. Ja Morant 50.9%
    8. Donovan Mitchell 50.6%
    9. Damian Lillard 50.1%
    10. Elijah Bryant 50%
    11. Willie Anderson 50%
    12. Jalen Green 49.9%
    13. Luka Doncic 49.7%
    14. OJ Mayo 49.5%
    15. Kerry Kittles 49.3%
    16. Steve Francis 49.3%
    17. Isaiah Rider 49.2%
    18. Brandon Roy 49.2%
    19. Anfernee Hardaway 48.9%
    20. Anthony Edwards 48.8%
    21. Damon Stoudamire 48.5%
    22. Derrick Rose 48.2%
    23. Mitch Richmond 48%
    24. Trae Young 48%
     
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    What site are you using to create these parameters? Is this on Bball Reference?

    That's a solid list to be on. Imagine if Jalen hit his stride about a month earlier. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if both he and Cade average over 20PPG next year and both make the all star team in their respective conferences.
     
  6. Easy

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    Is Jalen Green's initial now CBJ? So we have a backcourt of KPJr + CBJr. :D
     
  7. steddinotayto

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    It's Basketball-reference's stathead portal. I look up so much data that I decided to subscribe to their service. If I can get my hands on synergy sports data it would be really awesome.

    I think 20ppg is very doable for Green next year. His 3 point shooting has really improved as the season went on--around 28% in the first two months of the season to about 39% the past two months. If he can sustain a 37% accuracy rate moving forward getting to 22-23 ppg a night should be his floor, especially on a team that will depend on him to be the primary scorer moving forward.
     
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    Guards who averaged 20+ ppg in their 2nd NBA season since 2001. I even threw in usage rate in case anyone wanted that data too:

    1. Trae Young 29.6 ppg (34.9 Usage %)
    2. Luka Doncic 28.8 (36.8)
    3. Dwyane Wade 24.1 (30.9)
    4. Donovan Mitchell 23.8 (31.6)
    5. Kyrie Irving 22.5 (30.2)
    6. Devin Booker 22.1 (28.6)
    7. Anthony Edwards 21 (26.3)
    8. Derrick Rose 20.8 (27.2)
    9. Collin Sexton 20.8 (27.2)
    10. Damian Lillard 20.7 (25)
    11. Lamelo Ball 20 (28.1)

    FYI: Jalen's usage % for the month of March is 25%, the same month where he's average 20.8 ppg.
     
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    Would be interesting to see this list, normalized according to the league average for each of those seasons. basketball-reference used to make it easier to do stuff like that before they put most of their tools behind that StatsHead paywall.
     
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    Eric Gordon at number 3. :cool:
     
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    Yea I'm not a fan of their stathead interface because you have to really know how to use their "...Finder" index selections to get the data you want.
     
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    The site also seems to be a lot slower now than it used to be. I don't know whether that improves or not with a subscription.
     
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    I know there is probably a better way, but I just jumped to individual pages to see the numbers, Don’t have the time currently to hop to every individual page but I cherry picked a few just to see.

    Curry’s eFG was +3.4% compared to league average eFG in his rookie year.

    Magic +4.8%

    MJ +2.2%

    Kyrie +3.0%

    Morant -2.0%

    Green -3.1%

    Edwards -5.0%
     
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    He's playing so well and so improved, and I still see things he can improve on throughout the course of the game (and I'm confident he will over the next year or two). I haven't been this excited about a Rockets prospect since... Yao? Harden was much more of a finished product when we got him but similar feelings, can't wait for how he looks 2-3 years from now.
     
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    He improved his handling too :)
     
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    I've been reading this like 500 times this year and while it's definitely true that we were very lucky, I'm starting to wonder if we're still gonna talk about this 10 years from now.

    Feels like the generic twitter post whenever they don't really know what to talk about but have to post
     
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    Trading the 5th pick in a historically good draft for the opportunity to swap an All-NBA PG for Westbrook would be talked about every day on here forever.
     
  19. Rockets4Life13

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    Yes but that has not happened. (Atleast the pick part of it)

    Idk i just get tired of this statement.
     
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    he aint done yet either.
     

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