Change the rules!!!!!! [Finley's shot after shot clock expired]

Sacramento obviously got snubbed. People say San Antonio doesn't get the nod from the refs, it's like this almost every game. It's in different ways on how they "cheat" but they get away with it because the refs let them.

 

That call kept SA tied with us & the Blazers 1 game behind Denver, therefore affecting playoff seeds 2, 3, 4 & 5 with only 2 games left in the regular season. 1 of those 4 teams won't have hca. However in defense of the refs, they are used to seeing red light come on around the backboard when the shot clock goes off and as someone already mentioned, the red light didn't come on.

I agree about a rules change. If you can replay to check on if a shot was a 2 or 3, you should be able to check on a shot clock violation.

 

No way around it. The NBA has the most subjectively silly rules and reffereeing of any major sports league.

It seriously impcts my ability to enjoy the game.

 

what was the vegas line for this game?

 

I don't understand. They can check to see if the shot got off before the game time clock runs out, but not a shot clock violation?

This is just silly most arbitrary rule ever.

 

I can't even begin to understand the rationale behind this implementation. The purist case against a TOTAL abstinence from all replay/review while silly, was atleast somewhat understandable in its spirit - that this modern advancement would harm the "integrity" of the original game.

But this hybrid they have in place is illogical at its very core. "Let's start using replay but outlaw it's use at the most crucial period of the game!" WTF? If I didn't know about it, I couldn't even make this up if I was trying.

Can someone please explain the thinking behind this?

 

It's my understanding that in the last 2 min, the lead ref has control over the clock himself from some handheld gadget. So I don't see how this situation could have possibly been an 'accident' on the part of the officiating crew.

 

With 00 left on the shot clock (3.2 on game clock)




And again with 00 left on the shot clock (3.0 on game clock)

 

What is it with Finley? Between the infamous Out of Bounds play and this crap, he has really become the beneficiary of some terrible calls in the twilight of his career.

 

Don't the red lights only come on when the game clock reaches zero? I can't remember the lights ever coming on for a shot clock violation.

 

I think Karma will bite the Spurs tonight against Golden State. Spurs' road record is only 4 games better than the Warriors' home record.

 

almost no one is talking about it.

But actually when I saw it live, I thought he got it off in time..

and when you look at the replay and listen...if you're not watching the clock, the buzzer really does seem to sound after Finley releases the ball.

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Yes it's clear on replay, but if you're a ref and looking at Finley's feet and the release of the ball and listening to the buzzer, I get the call. What I don't get is how the buzzer and the clock can be mismatched..

 

WOW..KURT THOMAS CLEARLY FOULED ANDRES NOCIONI..ARE THE REFS BLIND?? UGHHHHHHHH 2 OBVIOUS MISSED CALLS..

 

You are correct, I think he does get it off before the buzzer, and I believe under NBA rules (too lazy to look it up) the buzzer takes precedence over the clock.

This one is on Sacramento for not synching their shotclock and buzzer.

 

So, we got affected by two questionable buzzer beaters this year (Roy's and Finley's)? How lovely, we we had that one in Portland back, we wouldn't be in this mess with the Spurs right now. Ironically enough the Spurs are the ones to benefit the most from both calls.

 

Yeah - the ball is halfway to the rim when the buzzer sounds.

On the buzzer this is a non-issue.

 

Wow that foul was blatantly obvious. I understand how the refs could have missed the shot clock violation, but missing that foul is unacceptable.

 

NBA Rules - from NBA.com

2002-03
• Use of instant replay to review certain last-second plays at the end of each quarter and overtime periods. Replays will be conducted and processed in two minutes or less by the game officials. Replays are triggered automatically – and not at the discretion of the officials or teams.


Rule 13 Section III - Replay Review Process


Reviews would be conducted as a crew. The Crew Chief will make the final decision.

Maximum of two minutes to review the video and make a ruling. Reasonable amount of additional time beyond two minutes for review of Flagrant Fouls/Penalty 2 and Player Altercations.

Calls made on the court will be overturned only with "clear and conclusive" visual evidence.

2006-2007: Section III-Replay Review Process
a. All replay reviews would be conducted by the officials as a crew after gathering as
much information as possible. In cases of conflict, the crew chief would make the final decision.
b. The call made by the game officials during play would be reversed only when the
replay provides the officials with "clear and conclusive" visual evidence to do so.
c. The officials will use the following to make their final decision in the order listed
below.
(1) Game clock or shot clock on top of backboard.
(2) LED lights.
(3) Game clock on the facades of the balcony.
(4) Game clock on score boards hanging from the ceiling.
(5) Superimposed TV clocks.
d. The officials will keep both teams on the court at the end of the second period if
instant replay is being used to determine if a foul was called prior to expiration or if there is
any question whether the shooter committed a 24-second violation, 8-second violation or
boundary line violation where time may be added to the game clock.
e. The officials will keep both teams on the court anytime instant replay is used at the
end of the fourth period or overtime period.

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Now, why did they not review this play?? The Refs reviewed Devon Harris's mid-court game winner against the 76'ers.

At this time, the three referees huddled at halfcourt. Here's what they said happened:

From Derrick Stafford, the lead official: "Yes, we came together to see if we all pretty much had the same thing or if we have anything to overrule the call on the floor ... and we did not. So, at that point with zeros on the clock, we continued to go to replay."

At this point, the referees along with most of the players and the coaches formed a pack at the halfcourt scorer's table, presumably watching -- again and again -- the replay of Harris' release. The referees watched the replay -- needing clear, conclusive evidence to overturn Palmer's call -- for 2 minutes, 30 seconds. After that, the three referees huddled, spoke, and then, a second later, Stafford thrust his arms in the air, signaling that Harris' three-pointer was now considered good and the Nets had won the game, 98-96.

Stafford said the decision was unanimous to overturn the call. Let's keep in mind, that the referees were not evaluating when the clock started at 1.8 seconds. The only thing they were reviewing was whether Harris released the ball before the buzzer. Stafford also said that when they can't see the actual clock on the replay, they will go by the red stripe which is installed on the scorer's table, and turns red at the buzzer. There is a similar one above the basket. It does appear that Harris released the ball with about 0.001 seconds remaining.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/That_Half-Court_Heave.html

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

Roy's shot was legit.

 

they didn't review because it was not a end of the game/end of quarter buzzer beater. this was a 24 second clock buzzer beater (attempt)

the call goes to the officials and it isn't reviewable under current NBA rules.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_7.html?nav=ArticleList

straight from the top. it was a mistake that can't be fixed.

and co-sign on the Roy shot- nothing to cry about, he got it off in time.