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Change of opinion on Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rockets Jones, Mar 5, 2009.

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  1. Kracka0476

    Kracka0476 Member

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    Im only a fan who has watched play his whole career. He has size but he doesnt have the athleticism, hands and upper body strength to do the things that people want him to do. ( Be Shaq-like: Go to the whole clear out and dunk). Even with that said he doesn't really need to be hes got a perfect post game to rely on.
     
  2. ibm

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    don't think so. at least i won't change my mind until i see i'm corrected otherwise.

    but i agree, still worth for him to try though. better than what he's doing now.
     
  3. el_locoteee

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    Using your shoulder only cause offensive fouls.

    There is no a player other than Shaq that Yao hasn't back down when single team they try with Nene, Howard, Big Ben, they all fail and Yao have back them down to the paint at will. I remember the first 10 minutes of the last game vs Orlando, DH try to play him straight up and Yao toy with him, then Orlando decide to double.

    He don't need have big shoulder to push he is already a big guy, and with his good footwork and weight he knows how to move a player.

    Compare Ya lower body to DH. There is no way he can stop him, no matter how wide his shoulder are.

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    Look how small of a person Wallace look next to Yao.

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  4. ibm

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    howard was committing to a 2-hand pushing foul right there, and the ref was just standing there watching. was it called? i doubt it.

    nowadays i see some random pictures of yao in a game, and often times the other guy was fouling. funny, and sad.
     
  5. RV6

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    I agree, but sometimes i dont know if he's really getting "it", like how to bang in the post. I can't tell if its his lack of athleticism or just doesn't get the act of doing it. I'm leaning towards it just being athleticism, but then he'll bust a move that looks so fluid, like when he pump fakes a shot and drives around the defender for a dunk, that it makes me think he could do it eventually.
     
  6. RV6

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    He doesn't mean that he has to push guys with his shoulder, but in general have a bigger upper body. The lower body help establish position, but a strong back/shoulder/arms all help in the post in one way or another. The thicker a player's body, the harder it is to get around it, Yao is thin up top, that's why it's so easy to reach around him. Also, when Yao leans back into a player, it doesn't do much because of his lack of upper body strength.
     
  7. mich

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    Yao was never afraid of a "hard" center, but he can't beat a "soft" center
     
  8. t_mac1

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    do it on the court. yao has been officiated like this since he's been in the L. great players adjust and dominate regardless.

    shaq did. the thing is shaq is so strong he doesn't feel those fouls and he puts out his own punishment. yao needs to do the same. get stronger and slap those fools.

    but yao's such a finesse player and that's why he hasn't adjusted to the refs.

    utah has flopped for years. it's nothing new. but they still haven't won a championship :D
     
  9. FLASH21

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    i totally agree...

    Carl does it every so often and Yao doesn't do it at all. I was thinking the exact same thing probably during last nights game. I guess it's just an old skool move, but shouldn't Deke have taught this to Yao by now. You would think.

    So does that mean he just chooses not to do it?
     
  10. t_mac1

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    if yao was more aggressive, he'll get more calls. watch games where he is ultra aggressive and tries to dunk everything, block shots.... he usually gets A TON of free throws (the warriors game earlier this year was an example where you know he wanted to shoot and score everytime).

    but yao's mentality isn't like that every game for some reason. did you see the backlash shaq got for flopping in the other game? yao falls down and takes charges at least once a game. that's not gonna look good.
     
  11. Rockets Jones

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    Yup, that's why it's amazing how Yao has been putting up the stats he does and why is staying so calm. In the interview he mentioned 2 hands in the back and it's hardly ever called; they do it to Yao all the time.
     
  12. h-townfan

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    Upper body strength is very important if you are a post player. Thats probably one of the factors as to why Yao consistently gets the ball knocked out of his hands and has trouble securing rebounds.
     
  13. yuisakata

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    Easy. When he's on D and gets called regardless, he needs to KNOCK BODIES DOWN so those smalls will think twice before going up against him, it is called INTIMIDATION.

    On O, Yao needs to elbow the teeth out of smaller defenders with his elbow so no one would dare taking chances to flop on him. It is called INTIMIDATION.

    Too bad Yao wasn't raised that way.
     
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    If he's getting called for fouls either way, why not foul with a BANG with an outlook for the future?
     
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    Maybe it was because of the refs in that game though I don't have evidence to back up.

    From what I saw in his plays, Yao wanted to play aggressively and always was determined at the beginning and then here came the refs who put two quick fouls on him. What was he suppose to do? Continue the aggressive play just to foul out or back off a little bit to stay on the floor? Most of the time Yao chose the latter because he wanted to win! Built in himself Yao is such a team player who can sacrifice himself to team win and he knows his score can help the team. So if you are the coach making millions and have one year left on the contract, would you like to send a clear message (by have Yao foul out a few times) to officiating at the expense of few games? :confused:
     
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    Yao has been neutered by the way the official call the games. It is sad, but true. Go back to China, Yao. You are not respected here at all.
     
  17. Kracka0476

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    I like how he plays now with the post up better than him banging in there and getting flops called on him. When he takes his time to back a guy down he forces a double team which really opens up our offense. Landry would be more of a banger. A guy who can catch the ball in the post get low and explode upward to the basket.
     
  18. Rockets Jones

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    I agree, even it would be sad to see a great individual leave the game of the NBA, it would be the best for Yao, his game and his family. There's a certain amount a man can take and it's hurting Yao clearly, he's a proud guy who's not willing to change for nobody. There's no reason for him to go Artest on anybody, he shouldn't change ever, I like the fact he can stay calm actually. It truly shows a man's character and makes me respect him even more.
    I really believe he should go back to China where he is respected
     
  19. yuisakata

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    One thing Yao does well but never tries this season is mid-range jumpers. Maybe he should start doing that too.
     
  20. meh

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    I think Yao needs to test the refs more. Keep bumping into his defender even after the officials all charges. Basically DARE the official to foul him out. Do this a few games, even if it costs us some wins, and I think officials will eventually swallow the whistle.

    The problem with Yao is that he still respect the officials, which is the wrong way to do it.
     

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