Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff considers homosexuality to be immoral

I'm not sure if these were the studies I referenced in my post but here is an example I read-

• A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.[13]
• In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[14]
• A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.[15]
• In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."[7]


7. M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, edited by P. Aries and A. Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 25.
13. A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see alsoBell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981).
14. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354. Dr. Paul Van de Ven reiterated these results in a private conversation with Dr. Robert Gagnon on September 7, 2000.
15. "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January/February 1998, p. 20.

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I'm not exactly sure what this proves...

 

Me either.

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Its not just a matter of the rightness or wrongness of opinions. In the end everyone in their own mind thinks they are right. What matters from a societal standpoint is how someone acts on that opinion. The problem with an attitude that homosexuality is wrong is that it could lead to persecution as thinking that any particular behavior or trait is wrong. Obviously people can bring up the issue of whether a behavior or trait deserves to be persecuted because it cause harm, say if someone has a penchant for murdering people. To me that is really the crux of acceptance of homosexuality.

The debate regarding whether it is innate / biological is important but not essential to accepting homosexuality. What matters more to me is whether homosexuality is considered harmful since there are many practices that people engage in that are not necessarily innate but aren't harmful either. In the interest of a free society I don't see why we shouldn't tolerate a practice or lifestyle that isn't harmful and I am yet to be convinced that homosexuality is harmful.

 

I wonder if Dungy and his institution would support a Constitutional amendment to annul any marriage where one person is found to commit adultery. Afterwards, they can draft an amendment to force any couple to marry that have had sex out of wedlock. Heck, let's let them define all the particulars of marriage according to their moral code.

 

It has been a LONG time but from what I know of the Bible, this I agree with. I believe that Jesus' only commandments were to love the God with all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength and to love your neighbor as you love yourself. I can see how all of the ten commandments, and many, many others, would fit within these two very basic commandments. I think basically EVERYTHING else that Jesus ever said was helping to either define these two commandments or to teach of salvation through Him.

With that said, here is a question for you. If two men were Christians and lived their lives according to Jesus' teachings but were in love with each and had a commited relationship exclusively with each other, how is that breaking either of Jesus' commandments? I do not see how a man being with a man or a woman being with a woman, goes against this.

Yeah well, don't get me started on how that worked out for me

I see prostitution as completely different than having a commited relationship with someone of the same sex. I don't know the original text or how exactly it translates but I think there is still room here to debate. If I remember the text correctly, it was mostly about being sexually pure. I know that Corinthians is a book written by Paul and "divinely inspired" but I'd like to see it in the red words.

While I understand what you are saying and agree, that sounds an awfully lot like it could be contrued as salvation by works. If everyone has sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, how much do you have to turn away. Everyone still sins even after salvation. I guess that's is why Judgement Day is taught. What is/was the true intention within your heart.

I don't know this particular passage you are talking about but the condemnation could have been about sexual promiscuity in general, not just the homosexual acts.

Thank you as well, I appreciate your responses.