Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff considers homosexuality to be immoral

Man, I don't understand this at all.

Shake - you started this in another thread. you made some off-the-wall comment about Christianity...I asked you to back it up. you apologized because you couldn't. then this thread opens up. i've said from the start of it that i struggle with the issue of whether or not homosexuality is a sin. and apparently that's not good enough for you. so you attacked. then somehow it came to be about me justifying my faith to you....and then you flipped it to justifying my faith to myself, because you were really just concerned for me. right. then your last two posts to me started with a, "you're digressing, i'm improving," followed by a rather Jorgeesque, "EXPOSED!" and this personal jab: "MM likes to dance around the question so he doesn't have to own up to his beleifs, and you are his choreographer," followed by the statement that you've "reformed your ways." Ummmm...no.

I'm sorry..but there is zero chance of us having a conversation with one another with real give-and-take exchange. You can't come in firing and then assume we'll "sit down" and have a conversation where I share my faith with you.

As for unresponsiveness....I asked you in the last thread to come up with the OT prophecies you felt Christ didn't meet....you didn't. You inquired on my views of the Bible...I posted an article that I felt nailed it for me...you wouldn't take the time to read it. You asked about how I felt the old law was dealt with in Christianity and I (GASP) pointed you to the NT. You ignored that, too.

There's no give-and-take here. It's not about an argument because it's an issue on which I do not have a strong opinion. I would certainly not keep homosexuals from any rights the rest of us have, including marriage. But this thread is now about an attack on my faith, pure and simple. And the only word that keeps popping into my head is disingenuous, because you keep masquerading as someone interested in earnest conversation...but there has been nothing respectful about it from start to finish with your posts.

 

you offend me when you assume to know more about me than you do...and you project what your perception is of Christians on to me.

i think we all have something wrong with us. a common thing. separation from God. you're looking at this like i believe that some of us don't have that. we all do, in my view. the question is whether or not homosexuality is a symptom of that. on that, i'm unsure. flame away.

 

Because I don't have internet at home, I'm missing alot....

 

Delete

 

That must be horrible.

 

i don't understand...what must be?

 

My next post is a response.

 

My next post is a response.

 

My response-

Why the personal attacks on MM?

MM- has discussed his views. Disagree, fine.

State your views, fine.

Stop slinging at him personally. He is not a homophobe.
Because he is not against homosexuals.

He is not avoiding stating his beliefs and he has not been unclear in his posts.

He clearly stated-
1. He is unsure if homosexuality is a sin against God.
2. His faith does not allow him to make a strong stand- like an absolute for or against at this time.
3. His believes we are separate from God and Jesus Christ restores this relationship.
4. All have sinned.

That is his faith. If you want to slam that, come out a little more direct and slam Christianity, but make it personal for you, not personal on him.

I personally don't think he has said anything to indicate he is prejudiced to the gay community or fearful, or resentful. If he posted that I missed it and can be corrected.

 

max, you are assuming things about me as well. i guess you are allowed to offend but i am not. hey, that's okay, life ain't fair. i believe that we are all imperfect. you would say we are separated from god and i would say, if anything at all, we are all part of god. homosexuality is a characteristic that some people have. people are born with all sorts of differences from one another. but we're all god's children, no? i just can't see how, in this day and age, we can discriminate a whole class of citizens in this country. it angers and saddens me to no end. whether or not i am a christian, i live in a judeo-christian environment and am subject to its mores. it's not a problem as i agree with most of them, there are so many things of value in the bible. however, this particular prejudice makes no sense- not rationally, emotionally, or spiritually. i am assuming you are more thoughtful and reflective than the average "christian". that's all i'm assuming.

 

thegary, I would like to move where you are. Cause it isn't so Christian where I am at.

 

the difference is my assumptions don't lead you to be called a narrow-minded bigot. your assumption wasn't merely that i'm thoughtful...but rather that i was fearful of homosexuals. or at least moreso than you. and i asked you why you felt that way, never having met me.

i agree with you wholeheartedly...no one should be mistreated or treated like they don't have as much worth as someone else.

i believe we're created by God in His image...and we have connection...but that we choose otherwise.

 

give me a break, i never said that.

 

i didn't say you said that. i said the assumptions you were making lead you there. that i'm fearful of homosexuals. honestly, i don't even know what that means. do you think i don't know homosexuals? or are not friends to any?

honestly...truce. this discussion is difficult to have over the internet. it's based largely, i beleive on assumptions and turns on how we're defining different words. i have no problem with you, personally, and enjoy reading your posts. and i think your heart on this issue is commendable.

 

i'm not Max but I wouldnt be surprised if he had a problem with this post.

 

ya think?

 

I'm good with that, let's all meet for Mexican food at lunch, talk Rockets and bash David Carr.

 

no, I can't talk Texans. i can talk religion, sexuality, politics...but i can't talk Texans. my food would never settle!

 

Obviously you're Carrophobic. What's next, you wanna deny him the right to throw a football? Just because he's an abnormal QB in that he sucks, doesnt mean that you have the right to deny him. He was born a terrible NFL QB, iut's not his fault, blame his genetics.

 

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