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Chair of Joint Chiefs says Gays should be allowed to serve in military.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Feb 2, 2010.

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  1. SamFisher

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    Have you seen Generation:Kill? That ship may have already sailed...
     
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  2. rhino17

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    I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to serve. If they wanna fight, they should be able to
     
    #42 rhino17, Feb 3, 2010
  3. gifford1967

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    Stop! Stop! The common sense, IT BURNS!
     
    #43 gifford1967, Feb 3, 2010
  4. pgabriel

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    And have a bunch of right wingers say obama is over stepping his bounds to implement his left wing agenda. I think not
     
    #44 pgabriel, Feb 3, 2010
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    Whether your story is true or not but if so you and that other guy need to grow up. As Ottomoton noted if someone is engaging in behavior that is truly that disruptive military discipline should step in. Second, you are there to do a job under tough circumstances. Recruit Johnson (I take it that is a pun) should control his urges but at the sametime you should control yours. You are put into close quarters with all sorts of people who have habits and appearances you probably wouldn't normally be around. That shouldn't stop you from doing your job.

    On a related note I have been around known gay guys in gym lockerrooms played basketball and grappled with them in Judo and Jujitsu. I have never had a problem with any of them acting inappropriately with me or any heard of them with any males in the dojos I've been.
     
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  6. rocketsjudoka

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    There's two problems with your argument. First off such fraternization isn't allowed already. If homosexual activity goes on under the radar Don't Ask Don't Tell doesn't stop that if what you are saying is true. The second problem is that this isn't an argument for keeping Don't Ask Don't Tell so much as saying that enforcement of regulations needs to be better since people are getting away with having sex. What you are saying is akin to "Well people are getting cocaine all the time so we shouldn't have heroin around." If that is the situation then shouldn't we be already cracking down on getting illegal drugs in general?
     
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  7. CHI

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    I was just saying that there are some problems with having women in bootcamp, while ottoman was suggesting that there werent
     
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    There will be a need though to work some show tunes in to the jody calls.
     
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  9. rocketsjudoka

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    And if there was proper military discipline would these problems be occuring?
     
    #49 rocketsjudoka, Feb 3, 2010
  10. CHI

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    There is proper military discipline. In an all-male bootcamp or all-female bootcamp, there are no problems; it's just the average bootcamp. It's when the divisions are co-ed, we begin to have problems.

    In all recruit training, there should be the same standard of discipline. Why do they need to be extra special when there's a co-ed division?
     
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  11. Ottomaton

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    Why is it that some crimes are subject to summary execution in wartime, and not when it isn't?

    Terrain dictates tactics.

    The strengthening effect of having smart, motivated women as an integral part of the armed forces far outweighs the loss of the insubordinate losers who can't adapt.
     
    #51 Ottomaton, Feb 3, 2010
  12. CHI

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    I still want to know what straight man would be comfortable showering next to a gay man?
     
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    I couldn't care less if a gay man showers next to me. If they couldn't stand to look at a penis without getting uncontrollably aroused, they'd loose their minds every time they went to the bathroom.

    And the fact of the matter is, you've probably showered with gay men and not known it. You’ve probably done it several times. And though I can't be sure, I hope I am not out of line in claiming nobody has stuck a penis down your throat to date.
     
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  14. rocketsjudoka

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    Where do they need extra discipline? Fraternization of a sexual nature from my understanding is already forbidden gay or straight. You are setting up a situation that if proper procedure is followed shouldn't happen anyway.
     
    #54 rocketsjudoka, Feb 3, 2010
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    How do you know you didn't while in the military? Don't ask don't tell remember.
     
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  16. CHI

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    Ok let me rephrase.

    What straight man would be comfortable showering next to an openly gay man?
     
    #56 CHI, Feb 4, 2010
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    Still me.

    I am straight as an arrow. So straight that I'm not afraid of gay men "turning me gay" or anything like that.
     
    #57 Ottomaton, Feb 4, 2010
  18. rocketsjudoka

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    Are you talking about a guy prancing around like Richard Simmons in the shower? As Ottomaton noted such behavior would be restricted.

    Anyway gays serve openly in the Israeli military and I doubt you would question the toughness or the manhood of the Israeli military.
     
    #58 rocketsjudoka, Feb 4, 2010
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    it's not a bathhouse. it's a military shower stall. so its a communal shower... why are you concerned about the sexuality of another soldier when you have what, three minutes to shower?

    the way you describe sounds like 7th grade gym class. These are grown Men and Women who vowed to serve and protect their country.

    They need to shower.
     
    #59 across110thstreet, Feb 4, 2010
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    If you're a straight guy and you want to shower next to another straight guy, I'm guessing you're not really against gays in the military.

    These are grown adults. They can handle it. If not, they probably should not be there to begin with.
     
    #60 rhadamanthus, Feb 4, 2010
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