Chair of Joint Chiefs says Gays should be allowed to serve in military.

Exactly right.

Here is a quote from the Fox News article on this topic:

[RQUOTER]Gates Backs Repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

But Gates cautioned Tuesday that no matter how much the Pentagon studies the issue, the "ultimate decision" rests with Congress.

A senior Pentagon official earlier told Fox News it does not appear the votes are there in Congress to actually change the law, but said it is not the Pentagon's role to get involved in that aspect.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., ranking Republican on the Armed Services Committee, said Tuesday he was "deeply disappointed" by Gates' remarks and reminded him that the plan requires the support of Congress. He said that the administration should not repeal the policy, which he called "imperfect but effective," at a time when the nation is engaged in two wars.

"Has this policy been ideal? No, it has not. But it has been effective," McCain said. [/RQUOTER]

If Congress is not likely to support the proposal, then this just a lot of political posturing. However, even if that is the case, politically speaking it is a smart move for Obama. He can get credit with his base for supporting this effort, while not actually having to take responsibility for failing to get it done.

 

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well basso, we do definitely know one guy who doesn't support repealing the law

 

How can anyone defend DADT? You can't. You either have to appeal to blatant homophobia or you have to crap on the troops by saying they would be thrown into a tizzy by sleeping 3 feet from a gay guy. "Yes, we can hike for days, engage in numerous firefights, hardly sleep, never shower, and eat crap, but don't let that gay guy near us... we'd freak out."

 

http://www.palmcenter.org/files/active/0/Executive Order on Gay Troops - final.pdf

[rquoter]1) The executive branch has the authority to suspend homosexual conduct discharges without legislative action.

2) Legislative action is still required to permanently remove “don’t ask, don’t tell.”

5) Studying the issue further would cause waste, delay and a possible backlash.[/rquoter]

Somebody needs to do something more than talk, whether that is President Obama, or some Congressional leaders.

 

2006:

 

See: inherent hypocrisy of politicians.

I'll get on your case about not doing something, but I don't want it done either. ...

 

I don't understand why McCain keeps calling it "effective"... effective at doing what?

 

I have a very simple question.

If someone is willing to give their life for their country, why the **** would anyone care how they like to have sex?

 

If the law is wrong and immoral it is hard to understand. Stop the discharges.

 

Our military is the most professional in the world. They can handle it.

 

i remember during firewatch at Marine Corps Recruit Depot, there was a guy there named "Recruit Johnston" ..we all took showers together and he would sit in the bench at the shower rooms and just watch, we didnt think nothing of it because we all felt like we were all brothers... but after lights out, i was on the 4th hour firewatch with 2 other recruits and we caught the guy looking at his bunk mate and masterbating...... that was just pretty disturbing... after that incident, our platoon just didnt function right anymore.. anywaise, been out of the military for 2 years now but im looking to re-enlist again soon so wish me luck!

 

While there aren't many cases of rape, sex is prevalent at boot camp when women are part of your division. When I was in Navy bootcamp in 2001, there was all kinds of sex going on. Some girls would sneak into the men's section and give BJs to whoever. Or have sex in the back stairwells. Even the drill instructors knew about it and made fun of it to the guys.

Everyone I talk to says it happens at every bootcamp. So, I don't think there should be integrated bootcamp divisions.

 

I think don't ask, don't tell is OK because even if you are straight, you aren't supposed to go around announcing it to everyone. There are lots of rules even for straight people not to have certain kinds of relationships, etc.

 

If you are a straight guy, would you want to shower next to a gay guy? In boot camp, everyone has to shower in communal showers.

 

I also remembered during Recruit Training in San Diego, there was no way out of the harsh marine corps basic training except through the graduation deck, or tell your drill instructors that you're gay... alot of people from my company were able to get out of bootcamp by saying they were gay... apparently it was an "easy way out." If we somehow change the rules now and allow gays in the military, that would be awesome! No one can say "im gay" and get away with it anymore, the drill instructors can finally say "SUCK IT UP B*tCH"

 

Yeah thats right, the first three days were horrible if you were straight because the drill instructors would "count you down" the first week in bootcamp when your taking showers, so everyone is rushing in and out of the "rain room" <== marines call the shower room rainrooms. It was horrible for me the first few days because through all the chaos, you can feel people's cocks hitting ure legs and everything else... but after about a week or so, you kinda get used to it and by the 2nd week you dont get counted down anymore unless your platoon screwed up.... shower sessions is horrible in the first 3 days for straight people.. for gay people, well, thats their highlight of recruit training...

 

Anyone think it's weird that the JCS has a twitter account?

http://twitter.com/thejointstaff

I kid you not.

 

There is a difference between being openly gay and being a freaky sex pervert or overtly defying military discipline. If a guy whips it out and starts masturbating in a room full of men, he should be given the same sanction and punishment under the UCMJ as if he whipped it out and started jerking off in a room full of women.

If a gay soldier openly propositions all the men in his chain of command, he should receive the same punishment under the UCMJ as a straight soldier who propositions all the women in his chain of command.

If a gay soldier commits adultery with a married male soldier, he should receive the same punishment under the UCMJ as a straight soldier who commits adultery with a married female soldier.

Just because someone is openly gay and in the Army, it doesn't mean they are being given a license to accessorize their uniforms with pink, and call their superior officers "girlfriend", act like they are starring in a remake of "The Birdcage", and prance around with a big handlebar mustache, a leather biker jacket, and "short shorts" humming the tune to YMCA.