Chad Ford's Re-drafting the Lottery Picks from the 2021 NBA Draft

both green's are 6'6", very athletic, rely on catch and shoot, do little else. Jalen has plenty of time to improve, but that's where he's at right now. he's got a long way to go, and maybe he can do it. we're relying heavily on his physical gifts and reported high work ethic.

 

Most people confuse individual player development with team success. Cleveland or Toronto’s success with Mobley and Barnes has something to do with those specific player’s ceiling but not near as much as fit and role do and the existing talent on the team that allows those players to do what they do best without exposing the areas they are still weak in. Cade and Jalen went into far less forgiving situations by comparison.

if Mobley is slow to rotate, Allen is there to shut the paint down too. If Mobley has a bad offensive matchup, he can still get buckets created from emerging playmakers around him. Cade and Jalen have little help in that regard - they go as far as their own talents take them.

 

GG is closer to 6'8 than 6'6 and JG is closer to 6'3 than 6'6.

Jalen already is a better playmaker than GG, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

If those guys were your definition of an all star then it's actually happened a whole lot. There was Harden, Russ, Chandler. CP3, Harden, Melo. If those guys qualify as "Allstars" then we even had 4 in Tmac, Yao, Dikembe and Artest/Francis/Juwan Howard/Vin Baker. Honestly we should stop referring to guys that have fallen off so far from the time when they actually were Allstars as Allstars. It's like saying the shitshow Lakers right now have 6. Those guy last year were "allstars" as much as Dikembe was in 2010.

 

Even more so to set them up with better role models and veterans than Theis who is a 9th man on any good roster.

He also did not get rid of Wall and waited this long until what is looking to be a buy out.

 

We literally got lucky in 2021 (a coin flip) when we kept our draft pick, so it's not like we were terribly incentivized to just throw away the 2020 season.

We already had all those former "shell of themselves" all stars, minus the rehabbing Dipo. Those all star injury reclamation projects (minus Dipo) were brought in to play with Harden. We brought in Kelly Olynyk, Avery Bradley, DJ Augustin, and D.J. Wilson at mid season deadline and half of those were for mainly for expiring/team option contracts. I think the Rockets primarily committed to a rebuild with taking the picks, but was fine having 2021 being a season in purgatory.

 

Our cap situation is still pretty tight from the Harden era. Theis was 6th in minutes on the Celtics last season, which was a good roster.

Wall has apparently stated he isn't interested in a buyout.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ract-buyout-unlikely-amid-interest-from-teams

 

I see your point, but these were all 28-30 year old players who were All Stars just before their injuries. These were not has-beens in their mid-30s. They are all younger than KD, who came back from his long injury like he never left. It was not an unreasonable gamble, but it failed…

 

I did go out on a limb and believed Clutch the Admin who thinks it will be a buyout in the end.

WIth Theis, he was 2 years ago (your value could drop anytime in this league if you are a semi scrub) that is past tense.

Now his value just dropped further.

Rightfully, as his fit is a pretty bad one on this team than on the Celtics who actually have couple stars.

 

LOL

You're such a clueless clown.

 

Thanks but I could really care less, was just flipping his script since he used Vegas as a predictive barometer for Rockets underperformance this season.

 

But he plays fine with a good roster. After this season he will have 2 years/ $18 million left plus a team option in a rising cap environment. He's been a good screen setter, okay defender and decent rebounder averaging ~24 MPG the last 4 seasons (excluding this one). It hasn't worked out here.

Hopefully the rumors are true about the Celtics and Raptors having interest.

 

I agree that I haven't been impressed with Stone's moves so far. I don't think they have been disasters, but I do see a lot of missed opportunities in hindsight.

That said, there isn't anything you can do with Wall - unloading him on another team would have cost us picks and/or more contract bloat and buying him out serves us what purpose? No marquee FA is coming to Houston right now and with all the rookies we have on our roster, if we lost Wall we would have to pay SOMEONE $25 million just to make a league minimum cap number. In what scenario do you see $25million of salary useful to us right now? No difference making FA is coming here so either you overpay some lesser player to a $25mil contract or you sign several lower contract guys(like a few Daniel Theis style players) but again - what does that do for a team that is actively looking to carve more playing time out to develop it's young players? Given we just drafted 4 rookies that we are trying to see what they can offer us long term, having Wall at home clogging up $44mil of our cap space for a few years, is actually a best case scenario until we have to start offering extensions to some of our younger players.

...just don't see any upside to giving Wall $88million for the honor of then paying another $25million for players likely not part of our future core who would then be getting in the way of the development of the youth movement we are trying to build. Realistically, what is the upside here?

 

Naw it’s not like people are saying Cam Thomas should be ROY.

If you can’t really watch the Cavs and focus on Mobley and understand what a huge impact he is making on that team winning games and also how ridiculous what he’s doing is for a 19 (EDIT: 20) year old I’m just not sure how to respond at this point.

 

fwiw: Mobley turns 21 in June. He was 20 before the draft.

 

Yeah my b on that. Still nuts for a 20 year old to be a game changer on D, a plus on offense, and basically almost never make any mistakes.

 

Slow down Chilly

I’m not aware of any offensive +/- stats, where he’s a plus. He might be the worst offensive player to win ROTY since MCW, and before that … hell, is there anyone else?

 

I’m open to stats that refute it, but when I’ve watched the Cavs I think on the whole he’s a positive on offense. In the games I’ve watched he always seems to make the right read, whether it’s where to swing the ball or where to be on the floor. Just stuff I think you don’t see often from a rookie that young. He has a much different role in their offense and offensive resume than a typical ROY for sure though.

I would be much more comfortable with Evan Mobley on offense for a team trying to win games than like Tyreke Evans his rookie year easily.

 

1. jalen suggs
2. jalen mobley
3. jalen cade
4. jalen barnes
5. jalen turk
6. jalen green

 

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