I would like to go on record to say that my moniker was chosen because I am a San Jacinto RunninRavens lunatic (well, actually it was created because I lost a bet...but that's neither here nor there), and not because I am a fan of Raven in this thread, with whom I disagree vehemently on this issue. That is all.
Go back and re read the entire thread. Several times I suggested the subject be dropped, but some people just can't accept anyone disagreeing with them, so they want to keep it going and going and going and going. How many times did I say let's just agree to disagree, and how many times was my request ignored by high post count board warriors. This is my last time posting on this thread. I'll always believe the Suns wanted Cassell more than Horry (though they wanted Horry too), and I do believe that history (and stats) show that Horry was the least important of the starting five during the two championship runs. If you don't agree, IRDGAS. Whether people on this board question my basketball knowledge is meaningless to me, but this thread does show that some posters have a fanatical determination to argue any subject way past the point of most people caring, even when one side made repeated attempts to let the subject drop. To avoid problems in the future, just put me on your ignore list. Mine is full Raven
Will - With all due respects, the only teams concerned with generating excitement are EC non-playoff teams. So what is it that ATL, BOS, CHI, CLE, ORL, WAS, or PHI have that is "more for Francis than what he's worth"? Pierce for Francis isn't going to happen. Ainge wants to run, Francis is a horrible decision maker on the break. LeBron? No way. The Cavs have nothing else besides Boozer. No offense, but it seems slightly contradictory to say we'll "get more for Steve than he's worth" and then say that Van Gundy would be happy with non-flashy players. That's the whole point of those of us who maintain Francis will not garner another "All Star" in trade. Maybe if you offer some concrete trade examples it would help but I suspect Francis is a lot closer to Artest and Harrington than Pierce in trade value. But I strongly suspect this board would go nuts with "we didn't get enough for Francis" with the former trade. But Artest and Harrington are exactly the non-flashy types Van Gundy would want.
How about the Clips, Warriors, Heat , Orlando, Toronto and Suns too. They all need better offensive options too and SF should be very attractive. The guy is a 3 time all-star, had put up 20-6-6 seasons, is 27 and is one of the 5 or 8 most marketable players. He is a different caliber of talent--closer to T-Mac (who has to be sinking in respect due to his team's performance), Pierce, Brand or J Oneal than the guys you mention. Now granted I don't think he is worth any of those guys int he open market (san Brand perhaps), but he is closer to them than Al Harrington is to him.
Some posters? You know, it takes two to argue. You say you repeatedly made attempts to drop the subject. Well, had you just stopped posting, then the subject would have been dropped, because there would be no one to go back and forth since you were the sole poster arguing your side. You didn't do that until now. So either you are a last word guy, or you didn't really want to drop the subject, because you could have stopped posting long ago. By the way, in situations like this one where neither poster really lost their head and made it personal, but merely debated and utilized sources and facts to back up their opinions (for the most part), simply decrying "Let's agree to disagree and drop it" reeks of a person that knows they are wrong, but desperately doesn't want to admit it.
It could also be that you're obssesed with winning conversations, while Raven realizes that you will not influence his opinion and he will not influence your opinion regardless of the length of this thread, rendering the whole conversation useless. Just a guess though.
Because the main reason Snow would be good for the Rockets is because he's a tall, defensive minded PG, thus Steve could move to the 2, and still guard the 1. If we trade SF for Ray Allen, we have a more than capable defensive 2 who fits in great next to Yao. Snow's shooting would be horrible in a half court offense centered around Yao. Also, his contract lasts, I believe, until the end of the 2008-2009 season, thus really hampering our cap flexibility. Sorry it took so long for me to respond, I was out of town for the weekend.
Go back and re read the entire thread. Several times I suggested the subject be dropped What does that have to do with anything? You can imply that people are ridiculous for having a different opinon than you, then when you get called on it and shown some facts you can just say drop it? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If you make a statement, then back it up. Every time you said "let's just drop it, it was usually accompanied by a new outlandish statement. If you do that, I'll respond every time...count on it. After I respond, you can let it drop and that will be it. If you continue to make claims with no basis behind them, I'll continue to point out that they are incorrect...simple as that.
Could be...but I would guess not considering I was never actually in this particular conversation, if you'll notice. I just wanted to point out to Raven that if he really had wanted to drop the subject back when he originally said, he could have quite easily done so. But thanks for your input.
I would like us to trade Stevie for Baron Davis. But I don't think NO is that dumb to give up BD. BD is da man! He is a real stud!
sure he is. Look at NO's record, and look look at his fg%. They are about the same Steve's worst shooting year=BD break out year. Defenitly francis has the netter carrear and the better upside. Bd willl get injured again... trust me. Plus, this shooting slump is going to only last for a year. Steve when at his full potential is a way better shooter than BD.
haha... yeah. BD takes a TON of shots, especially threes. i'd trade steve for any other premier point guard not named bibby or davis. i fail to see how they would make us better. i would also trade for andre miller now that i think about it. because as long as francis is de-emphasized in the offense like he is now, there's nothing he does that miller doesn't do. plus miller makes less money.
