I'm not going to get into with you dude. Damn you make me look like a SOF, which I'm NOT. SF is a young, popular, and exciting player to watch. On the right team, and with an offense centered around him, he's capable of putting on a show, and the funs love him. SF has more value than you think, and thank God your not the Rocket's GM, or we really would get nothing in return. Let's just agree to disagree, and leave it at that.... My own prediction is that SF will be traded for RA, but I'll always think EB would have been a better choice. Raven
I'm pretty sure Brand was traded for the Clippers #1 pick (#2 overall) and Curry was drafted using the Bulls #1 pick (#4 overall).
Most here would probably agree, but both sides have to want the trade for it to happen. I don't see why the Clippers do this. It's not about who would be the better choice, it's about who you can realistically get. Maybe a 3-way deal could be worked out, but I doubt it. EB is, unfortunately, a fantasy.
Francis is not really all that young, but he is popular and exciting. Unfortunately, there's some other criteria for being a superstar. I'll ask for a 2nd time, in recent history, how many PGs have been traded for star big men? The NBA values big men...simple as that. It's true Brand was traded for a draft pick, but who was that draft pick? 7'1" Tyson Chandler. Lots of teams will take a chance on a kids potential, but it's almost always a big guy with potential. Deuce has been pumping the Ray Allen for Francis possibility, but I don't see it...SG is our deepest position. Allen could definitely help, but we'd still have too big of holes at PF and PG.
I think between Mobley, Jackson (Jim), and Allen, they could handle dribbling down court and passing into Yao. In the dump-it-in offense you don't really need a spectacular point guard, and our defense and shooting would be excellent.
The Rockets traded Otis Thorpe for Rodney McCray and Charles Barkley for Sam Cassell. Other players were involved, but with both trades the Rockets got bigger while giving up skilled players in return. As I said, let's just agree to disagree. Raven
Opps, I mean Rodney McCray for Otis Thorpe, and Sam Cassell for Charles Barkley. I got that switched up Raven
You are right. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/elton_brand/?nav=page Traded by the Bulls to the Los Angeles Clippers for Brian Skinner and the draft rights to Tyson Chandler on 6/27/01.
Opps, I mean Rodney McCray for Otis Thorpe, and Sam Cassell for Charles Barkley. Rodney McCray was a 6'8" SF, not a PG. Cassell was traded along with Horry, Chucky Brown and Mark Bryant. At that time, Horry was a bigger factor in that deal than Cassell. In fact, including that deal, Cassell was traded three times within a six month period. Horry was the guy that Phoenix wanted, unfortunately, tossing a towel in Danny Ainge's face bought him a ticket out of town.
RM was smaller and shorter than OT. You said that teams rarely trade big for small, but RM was clearly smaller than OT Horry a bigger factor in the trade than Cassell? LOL, sure if you say so. Clearly we are never going to agree, so why not let it go, unless you're just bored or something. Raven
I know everyone thinks that we should try to sign or trade for a PF, and if we could get Wallace or Brand, I'm all for it, but has everyone forgot about the possibility of bringing in Malick Badiane. I mean from what I read and heard about him in the summer league was that he had mad hops and was the first one up and down the court. Meaning he is a hustler. That, and his rebounding and shot blocking abilities were a plus. If we traded Cato + Francis/or Mobley it would free up a lot of money, and Badiane sounds like he can play just like Cato does now. Give Malick another summer to develop a somewhat already decent offensive game and I think that it would help us use that cap space to be in the running for a much better player. i.e. Kobe Bryant. Imagine: Yao Ming Malick Badiane Jim Jackson Kobe Bryant Eric Snow Cuttino could come off the bench: Taylor, 'Spoon, Mobley, Pike, Boki, and a decent pg with the MLE.
Horry a bigger factor in the trade than Cassell? LOL, sure if you say so. Don't take my word for it, just check out the facts. Do you remember that originally the Barkley trade was suppose to be a thee way deal including Houston, Phoenix and Denver? Denver would sign and trade Mutombo to Phoenix and Phoenix would ship Barkley and Klein to us? The deal got killed when it became public that Mutumbo's sign and trade contract had been negotiated earlier than allowed by NBA rules. Once that deal fell apart, the Suns and Rockets made a two way deal work. Do you remember the 3 way deal that included Mutumbo? Here's a blurb from a Eddie Sefko article in the Chronicle on 7/9/96: As it is believed to stand, the trade would be consummated once Mutombo signs a five- or six-year deal starting at $6.8 million and escalating 20 percent per season. For six years, such a deal would average just more than $10 million per season, making it competitive with a deal the Detroit Pistons reportedly were formulating that would have paid Mutombo $50 million over five years. With the Rockets under the salary cap, they then would ship Robert Horry and Sam Cassell to the Nuggets for Mutombo. The Rockets then would send Mutombo to Phoenix for Barkley and Joe Kleine, whose combined salaries would be within the allowable 15 percent of Mutombo's $6.8 million, making the deal work for Phoenix. In essence, the Suns would set the price for Mutombo's contract. The deal appears all but done. Sources in Phoenix have said the Suns are ready to embrace Mutombo. The Nuggets are thrilled to escape the financial handcuffs that signing and keeping Mutombo would have placed on them. The Rockets have remained quiet about the trade talks. Barkley and Hakeem Olajuwon have talked about how they are looking forward to playing on the same team. But there is always reticence about a trade until the trigger is pulled. Monday, there was speculation starting in Denver that Cassell might not be included in the deal. If not, another player might have to be included, depending on how far the Rockets are under the salary cap. Read the last paragraph. Cassell was hardly a deal breaker in the Barkley trade. Here's another Sefko quote from the Chronicle on 8/19/96: The sources confirmed Sunday that the trade was finalized when Bryant was added to it. Apparently the Suns were determined to receive another big man. We didn't get Barkley in exchange for Cassell. He was just one of 4 guys traded for the Chuckster.
I remember, at the time the trade happened, that talk on ESPN and on local sports radio was that Sam Cassell was the key, so like I've already said, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE. Raven
I will do sf for marbury straight up, or SF+cat(or anyone except Yao) for Kobe(if he doesn't go to jail) or T-mac.
At that time, Phoenix had Kevin Johnson coming off of a season where he averaged 18.7 pts and 9.2 assists. They had also just spent a first round draft pick on Steve Nash. Sure, that makes sense that trading for a non-starting 6th man PG would be their highest priority in a deal for Barkley. I guess they must have thought that Cassell was also a superstar that could score 40 every time that he stepped on the floor. I'll leave it at this: Francis is a good player, not a great player...definitely not a superstar. He's never even made the All-NBA team in his career. Guys like Nash and Marbury have made that team ahead of him. If you truely believe that the Clippers would gladly send us Brand for Francis, then the Clippers will offer that deal to the Rockets. So when we trade Francis for something less than Brand, are you going to believe that CD turned down an offer of Brand for Francis? Or that the Clips really wanted Brand for Francis, but watched Francis get traded for a lesser deal?
Rodney McRay was a big strong small forward that was traded along with Jim Peterson (a power forward that performed very well in place of both Sampson and Dream when he had to). Both of those players were key parts in what was once considered the best young front court in the NBA. No small players were involved in the deal. In fact Houston had to give up two front court players for one. When Horry was traded he had just come off of back to back years where he was one of the top three players on a championship team. His last year was perticularly impresive since he out played Horrace Grant in the finals to prove he could play PF at a high level. While Sam Cassell hit some big shots in those games he was not even viewed as a starting calaber point guard by Houston, Phoenix or Dallas so saying that Cassell was the main factor in the Barkley trade as opposed to Horry is just plain laughable. Wake up.
