At least respond to my last statement, not the one before it that you already tried making an argument against...will AP live up to the hype? What do you think?
You left off the fact that it was against a 7-5 Michigan team. Arguably a terrible team via Michigan standards. Anybody stop and think that hey, maybe TCU is GOOD? They've been floating around the top 25 for 6-7 years now.. further illustrating the point that the BCS is a joke and a tool.
i have no idea where you pulled those numbers from (and that is not a correct time to replace "by" with "via"). and regardless or where AP should've gone or whose season was better, i'm quite sure ou would trade their bowl experience for ours.
Gonna have to disagree. I would trade anything to play in the MNC and have a shot at a national championship, even if it means getting embarassed by the likes of USC. It's been 1 year and 1 game. AD made the right decision (so far). We have at least 2 more years before he can go pro. We'll find out down the line if he truly did make the right decision.
i'd trade my 55-19 asswhoopin' in the national championship game for a thrilling rose bowl win any day of the week. i don't see how anyone couldn't. the loss was so bad that i'm sure it somewhat detracted from the joy of ever having even gotten to the game in the first place. kind of like losing by 40 in game 7 kinda makes the 3 wins we got against dallas feel somewhat hollow.
It's better to have the opportunity to win it all and lose than not to have it all. He probably felt worse the day after, but if he had to do it all over again, I think he (or anyone) would choose their season over ours. Higher final ranking, head-to-head win over your biggest rival, win a conference title, go undefeated in the regular season, get to play on the biggest stage in all of college football, get to be a star on your team and a freshman Heisman candidate, set some NCAA freshman records, etc. I think it's an easy choice (for last year).
Exactly, this argument (f4p's) reminds me of the idiocy of the team that lost the Super Bowl. Just because you got beat in the Super Bowl, whether it was by a touchdown or by 50, your team is all of the sudden worse than the 28 other teams that didn't make it?? Believe me, every one of those 28 teams would have loved to be in the Super Bowl. Our society needs to quit bashing the 2nd place teams here - I get sick and tired of it.
College Football is an entirely different animal than Pro Football. In pro-football, people only remember the champions and maybe the runners-up. In college football, people remember great bowl victories - not just the MNC. Also, in college football, momentum is so much more important. When you talk to a recruit, it's probably more impressive to say, we just beat michigan in one of the greatest bowl games ever than to say you played for a ntional title and got hammered. Bob Stoops: We played USC in the title game.... Recruit: You guys got whooped too and Auburn was robbed. Recruits want to play for teams they feel are up and coming. Oklahoma will not recruit as well as they have in the past because they've been exposed as pretenders, an image that has been carried over to this year. Playing for a mational championship is great exposure as long as you don't get embarrased. The title game last year hurt them more than it's helped.
Had fun wearing my Horned Frogs shirt today. I work with, and know a bunch of OU fans here so I had a good time rubbing it in their face.
Sorry, I get carried away sometimes. As to whether AP will live up to the hype, I don't know. He simply had an amazing year last year, 153 yds/game, about 6 yds/carry. But you can't discount the help he recieved from the players around him and the returning heisman winning QB at the helm. I guess we'll see what happens. As far as Texas is concerned, if they get to the national championship it will be well deserved. Many things have to go right for them to get to the national championship: Beat Ohio State, Beat Oklahoma, not lose to the likes of Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, or even Texas Tech, and finally win the Big 12 Championship. One thing always seems to go wrong each year. I wish them luck though.
It does when you lose 55-19. And then coming back to lose against TCU in the season opener. I'd rather win by 1 point in one of the most thrilling football games in history than lose the championship game that was over after the 1st quarter. But that's just my opinion and I highly doubt you would agree.
Okay, we'll agree to disagree . I still think playing for the national championship, win or lose, is the highest honor in college football. The other bowl games are consolation prizes. If Texas makes it to the Rose Bowl this year yet loses 55-19, I don't think you'll say you weren't proud of them for making it that far or would rather have a victory at the Fiesta Bowl vs. a lesser opponent.
Agreed. I understand the Rose Bowl has a lot of history, but, in the end, last season's was just a consolation game for like 5th or 6th place. OU had the much better year.
The honor bestowed upon them was based on arbitrary voting. It easily couldve been Auburn or USC the year before. You say UT "backdoored" into the Rosebowl and yet OU didn't? The difference was UT proved they deserved to be in the Rosebowl while OU proved it didn't deserve to play USC.
Not quite arbitrary, but the system is all we have. As far as the backdoor, OU was number 2 in the AP rank, the coaches rank, BCS average, and number 1 in the average computer rank. And I guess by "proved they deserved to be in the rosebowl" you mean they proved they were the 4th or 5th best team in the country by beating Michigan, the team that was 13th in the AP rank, 12th in the coaches rank, 17th in the computer rank, and 13th in the overall BCS rank, then I have to agree with you. OU deserved to play USC. The butt-whooping they faced (55-19) just showed there was a greater disparity between number 1 and number 2 than between number 4 (Texas) and number 13 (Michigan) (38-37)
What does losing 55-19 prove? It wasn't even as close as that. USC couldve racked up 70. If UT was #5 or 6, OU certainly wasn't much ahead of them.
BS. The only reason they were picked ahead of Auburn was because Auburn started off lower ranked - that's how the poll system works. There was no other reason. It was pretty obvious that OU was not the 2nd best team. And they weren't the 2nd best team when LSU whipped them. OU benefited greatly from the media's perception of their program. Although they were better than Texas, it was much smaller than you might think.
But the BCS system is all there is. If OU came up second after all the numbers were crunched then OU deserved to play USC. The same system also helped Texas, who was lower then Cal in both the coaches (5 vs 4) and AP (6 vs. 4) polls.
Well, that and the fact that they came up ahead in the computers, which don't have that same bias, and the fact that during the last 3 weeks of the season when people were having the OU/Auburn debate, they looked far more impressive than Auburn.
