Are you serious? I mean CD may have not been the best GM in the world but he has been at least very competent. There are many GM's in the league worse than CD. And Weisbrod was a new GM with no experience when he went to Orlando and single handedly dismantled that team and it will be hard for them to get good any time soon. You may not like CD but lets not go off the deep end.
you guys steady knocking orlando are crazy. they have tons of cap space next year, and they have arguably the best young big in the league. weisbrod was a part of that. weisbrod took over a 21 win team, don't forget that. he had the best draft last season. and if you watch they are getting better so actually it looks like he left them in pretty good shape.
Possibly you are quite right and if this be the case I couldn't think of a worst senario for getting a championship basketball team together. For me JVG hasn't indicated that he has much to go on at selecting talent especially when it comes down to rebuilding a team . His perceived coaching style and his directional philosophy seem to be out of step with the present concepts of how the game is played. A coach who believes in types like Howard and Bowan must just not have theEYE for latent talent ready to be developed.
Is this what you guys are talking about? A clever person can "influence the results." My wife has two degrees in statistics (OK, sociology, but the lady was up to her boobs in stats for many years! Thank god, it's not what she's doing today. Got in the way. ) We've both had the Myers-Briggs test. I don't recall what my results said (it's buried in files around here, somewhere, or in files in storage... it's been a very long time), but I was gaming it the whole time, for grins. Like any of these things, it is not fool-proof, and the results can be manipulated, at least to a degree. In my opinion, based on personal experience. I guess this is a bit off-track, regarding the thread. Again, I surprised by the hire. Hell, I would think we all are. The man has no traditional GM experience that I've heard of, yet, although I have an open mind. He didn't play basketball, as far as I know. He hasn't been a coach. He hasn't been as assistant GM. In short, he has no basketball track record worth mentioning. Just a very strange hire for the guy who's supposed to become our next GM. It's not strange to hire him for the things he does bring to the table. Clearly, the guy is bright, and knows how to manipulate stats to obtain results, but can he do anything with that knowledge that translates into being the GM of an NBA team? The jury is not only out, it's walking around for the next year and a half, looking for donuts.
He didnt tell the Magic anything. They used some of his old analysis to do it. He had nothing to do with it. And no this isnt the Jung Meyers test. JN is not apart of their studies although he has refered to them in certain instances, his methods go much much further. There is much more analysis and study, and he also puts many things with it, other factors as well. Thing is, its just that in situations you use certain parts of your brain than others, thats all. It has alot to do with many factors as i think i said earlier in the thread. Anyhow Look at his site and see some of his works. The All stars he braintyped, and how many different pro clubs from golf all the way to pro bball have been influenced by him. To the other guy, Ainge is now the new GM, although he wasnt apart of that horrific rebuilding job you're speaking of, he's cleaned house and seems to draft very well. As far as the new GM, there is an article on the Chronicle about CD retiring after he had just signed his new 2 year extension (which ends after next year), and this is a total surprise of Les bringing in this guy. I would love to hear his thinking on what his motives were.
cmon pgab. none of the guys weisbrod traded Tmac for are with the team anymore. During his own tenure both Mobes and Gooden were traded for trash. They have cap room, but during one of the weakest free agency periods in a while so that doesn't amount to much. I doubt next year will be much better in that regard. The only positive thing you can say about weisbrod is that he picked the right guy in Howard.
I have major reservations about the stats approach applied to basketball. Unlike in baseball, basketball is a highly interactive game, in which every player needs to do many different things. How you interact with your teammates is in many ways more critical than overall ability. For example, suppose you wanted to get a guy who would be good at feeding Yao the ball. In this case, it would be important to know little things like whether a guy is good at specific skills, like making a lob post feed, a bounce pass post feed, making a fake to set up an ally oop, etc., rather than just raw assist numbers. You would also want to base your decision on what passes Yao likes to receive. I suppose these things can be segmented and analyzed, too, but it's a much more complicated system than in baseball, in which everyone is pretty much hitting or pitching alone. So anyway, my point is, I doubt stats guys are going to be much better in obtaining personnel than a traditional basketball guy with playing/coaching experience, and it's possible they'll be worse. This problem is made worse by the fact that college numbers (as far as I know) don't translate in basketball as well as they do in baseball. I mean, just look at big numbers Duke guys like Danny Ferry, Mike Dunleavy, and most likely JJ Redick. It's pretty obvious that they're destined for role player status b/c of a lack of athleticism. Meanwhile, Hakeem, who was only slightly above average in scoring in college, became, well we all know what he became. I suspect that Morey's stats approaches may be useful for two things: getting slightly better role players, and saving Les money. A stats approach is not going to help in getting you what you need in basketball, which is a star.
Just curious, maybe they are better off playing in euroleague, in other words, internatioinal style of basketball. Euroleague is getting better every year. Looks like exactly what we need: 1) find role players who complement our two superstars well; 2)squeeze out some cap room.
and he picked jameer nelson and he may have gotten rid of a guy who's career is threatened with back problems. looking back his only mistake was trading mobley for nothing. all I'm saying is orlando isn't in bad shape at all. they are in pretty good shape for the the future. people act like the guy ruined the franchise.
That's true, but someone who knows what they're doing will see right through you, they would know that most men like to think one way of themselves, which leads to them testing out as what they think they are, not what they really are. For instance, most men won't admit that they're feelers but the truth is that the feeling and thinking personality trait is 50/50, most men think they are introverted when in reality only 30% of people are true introverts. Same applies for women, except they like to think that they're the feelers and left brained (judging) types, both of those traits are split more or less 50/50 throughout both males and females as well.
They dumped Stevie for cap space - last month. Their stud draft pick from last year is playing where now, and possibly the future? Their fan base is how energized? BTW - Howard is a stud. So, too, is Okafor. And there are other young stud bigs, like Amare and Bosh.
Good move. Experience at professional sports GM'ing, imo, is overrated. It takes a variety of skills that someone may be quite well at, even if they aren't already in the good ole boys club. It worked for the Red Sox, at least.
who cares how energized their base is. amare's career maybe done, howard is already a better player than okafor, and bosh isn't really in the same league in regards to potential. they'll be under the cap just next season with grant still on the books with howard, darko, and jameer nelson still signed. darko has already shown signs of life since leaving detroit.
Well the way I heard a major stat guy, John Hollinger from ESPN, talk about college stats he is well aware of the kinds of stats that do translate to the NBA and those that do not. For example, he said that rebounds are one stat that does tend to translate over, so if a guy in college can rebound the heck out of the ball, that is usually something he can bring to the NBA. Chuck Hayes would seem to be a perfect example of this, being able to rebound regardless of his height.
You win, you're right. Weisbrod did a bang up job. Wish he were here. How can you pretend to use NOrlando as a go-by? More of a good-bye!
wow... CD did a good job when he was here. If not CD, I hoped Rudy would be, but good luck to the new guy.
Not too happy about picking a GM without a real background in basketball. However, I'm hoping Les figured that JVG (or future coach) would be the main decision-maker in choosing personnel and he needed a GM who was good at more business-side stuff -- shrewd negotiating, managing cap, etc. -- and would not be heavily involved in deciding who to pursue.
I bet you meant the season before last. Last season's draft netted them the Spanish headache (a waste of the 11th pick).
abs. serious, look at our role players in past 3 years, no matter start or bench. does anyone deserve a NBA champ.? does anyone should show up on a NBA champ. lineup? look at Suns, why our rookies never and ever outperformance? look at Denver, why they can over 50% while struggle with injury all over the season? look at spurs, why they spend such less on salary but could get champ.? CD is not bad, but he just not good enough to fit his seat. he never have a blueprint in his mind, that what champ. Rox lineup should be. he always follow coach's order, do whatever JVG says. No way, JVG has nothing but hard working. he didn't have gift, so he don't believe gift, then he can't notice gift. look at what we signed and what we missed in past 3 years. To be a GM, u should name ur team, name its culture, name its style, name its way to go, u rule the team, u pick the right guys to fit each position, u pick coach, u order coach, not coach order u. look at jerry west, why he always suc.?
