I wans't using the other unproven guy to prove a point in the NBA... I was making a point on how European teams dont have starters/bench and try and have balanced teams and try to fit the starting 5 to the plays the want to run and the opponent etc. Like, Papaloukas in euro ball is player of the year, undisputedly, the most valuable euro player and by far the highest paid one .. Yet he doesn't start...I was just pointing out that euro teams don't neccesarily start their best players...It had nothing to do with NBA performance... I agree with the rest of your points and like DD i'm up for 15-20mins of V-Span next year. And he's only out-of-control till he gets comfortable with his teammates. Then, he's just fast ...And I think he showed he has been getting comfortable...His TOs have been getting lower and lower
exactly. too many flawed players. Good guys, professionals, easy to cheer for...but just fundamentally flawed for various reasons, ranging from a lack of skill to old age.
Right ! So, knowing that the team has those flaws, why not go with what the GM put together and find out if the new players can perform better, or are going to be the answer in the long term? We know what the veterans can do, but we don't know what a lot of the younger players can do.....as GM wouldn't you like to know that before going into this offseason? JVG ignored the plan, ignored his bosses wishes about being more positive, and played the players he liked to the point of exhaustion. I personally think the current roster is good enough to get to the WC finals but not good enough to win it all.......even flawed as it is....... But not with JVG as coach. DD
i just think that billy getting little time is part of nba development for the vast majority, which he falls under. But like you, i am also fairly confident that he will make a big step next year...of course thats given that he works on his game and improves. you mentioned his t/os were fewer toward the end of the year, his defense was better and he seemed to see the game better.
DD so what if JVG had played the bench at the cost of a handful of regular season wins. We end up a lower seeded team and face a top 3 seeded team and get bounced in the first round. Would you have been more content with the 1st round loss under that scenario as long as Vspan, Novak and Synder got more mins and game experiance?
uhm. .. not really HE got herewe Had Mobley, Francis, Jim Jackson and Yao we has SERVIBLE folx like Cato and i beleive Posey regardless of what they did when they left when they were here. . .They were Good and valuable peices for future building Rocket River
JVG should have developed the bench more. That was obvious in the Utah series. HOWEVER, Bonzi was too fat to play and quit, Snyder played a decent amount when healthy, and VSpan was a turnover machine. Granted these guys should have played more, but from what I saw of them they were not great Also, Battier at the 4? That was a clutchfans fantasy. He isn't strong enough to guard most 4's. If that was CD's big plan, then that is his fault
talking about waste of time wasn't this the year were JVG had to win to stay lol JVG needs to go, he makes this team look horrible in any case
Surely it would be the same result with the upside of having slightly developed a couple of players and figured out whether they can help in the future... Or maybe even they progressed enough to ...(shock-horror)...actually HELP get over the first round.
actually, i was talking about the players that were aquired aer fundamentally flawed as well. novak - one trick pony. can shoot but gets abused in every other aspect on the court. snyder- he was my X factor this year. but the guy is wreckless and sometimes just flat out dumb. He got time in the utah series but typically followed that up with some dumb pass resulting in a turnover or how about that 3 he jacked up in game 2 or 3? I agree, his slashing ability is impressive but only if he uses it. He is and has been a project since he's been in the nba. chuck - the most flawed player...but also the most loved. we all know his flaws. billy - rookie still learning nba game. played out of control and wild. are those the big time players that you honestly think cost the series against jazz? they can be good pieces, but they arent series changing players at this point in their careers. maybe they will be, but we are dealing with the now...or we were. i think we are also forgetting that the rockets did play a dam close series and were in position to win but collapsed down the stretch.
Grendal, Honestly, yes. I want the big enchilada, and I think the team has many gaping holes to fill. I have never felt the team as it is assembled is ready to challenge, I would have HOPED it was, but truthfully believe we are a couple of contributing/athletic players away. I honestly think that our solution at PG is already here in V-Span, and the sooner he gets to play the sooner he can iron out his problems. Which leaves PF, we really need an athletic PF who can block shots, rebound and stretch the defense when teams double Yao. That doesn't mean he has to shoot 3 pters......but at least 15-20 feet jumpers. So to answer your question, if I felt the Rockets found some pieces to add to the mix, and built up a year of chemistry yet fell in the first round to a top team, I would have been dissappointed, but would have still felt the year was one of growth. Right now, I just feel it was a year wasted. DD
I actually don't think we are that far off in our thoughts. I agree that the players are flawed, the difference is that young players grow and their flaws diminish with playing time, whereas older flawed players have peaked and we know they won't be getting any better. And losing to Utah in a hard fought series is not exactly building for the future, we didn't lose to a team that really has a chance, we lost to a 2nd tier team at home. DD
V-Span ain't happy Do you think . . if JVG is here. . . he may bolt back to Europe? if he figures he won't get a fair shake. . . why come back? Rocket RIver
Most PFs are not the big bulky type anymore, they are the long athletic type...... JVG is living in the past... DD
I can think of $2 million reasons ! He is under contract, but I think JVG is gone and we will see a revitalized V-Span next year. DD
