Thats because Olajuwon earned that respect. lets not even start the comparision issue. yao couldnt even carry oljuwons jock straps.
I would get sick to my stomach if Yao played the race card the way you guys seem to be suggesting. It would just be pathetic and downright offensive, and nothing good would come out of it.
Never said Yao was comparable to Dream. But the difference in ways the officials treat them is obscene. I remember watching Hakeem play like it was yesterday and it pains me to see all these calls go against Yao that I know would go the other way if it were Hakeem. Things should not be this way. Stop calling the phantom fouls against Yao, and start calling the fouls when he gets hammered by 2 or 3 shorter guys. Be fair is all i'm asking to the refs.
i remember dream scoring 40 points on denver one night without even sniffing the free throw line. i never thought dream had as much respect as other contemporary superstars. on the other hand compared to yao he was michael jordan.
Are you kidding me? If Yao got the respect from the refs that Hakeem got? He'd be treated about the way he is for another 8 years. There is no conspiracy, there is nobody out to make yao look bad.. He is hard to ref its that simple. Its like when a guy who is 5'3 comes up to bat in mlb. How big is the strike zone (that is called pretty much the same for anyone from 5'9 - 6'3 - but when you call a high strike on the guy 5'3 its over his head). What makes matters worse is that everyone has complained about the fouls.. well they are consistant. For the most part that is, they call him for the same things. STOP DOING THEM. Its not like he gets called for a foul when get stands up to get on the court. If he wants to start getting calls he needs to bully someone bigtime. You know who got calls all night? Barkley, so did Moses, and even that brute that played for detroit. Either we can petition for the refs to change the way they call the game... which they won't, or we can petition for yao to figure out what is a foul for him... and play his game accordingly. Mike
\ Sorry if i misinterpreted yo're post. understand you're beef. the problem s the refs because yao's 7'6, they'l have to even the plating field by calling those unwarranted fouls. shamefull indeed!
there is a reason for that, and it has absolutely zero to do with lack of interest. there is a problem with the normal chat room connected to the java applet on the clutchfans chat page....so the pbp has been transferred to a different room until the problem is worked out...if you added the number of people sitting in #rockets(the problem room) with the number of people in #clutchfans.net(the alternate room)..the number would still be fairly high. Im gonna assume you are ignorant of this and that you arent trying to twist the facts to support your hypothesis. btw....with the NBA wanting to spread themselves worldwide, I would put money on it NOT being racial discrimination.
YOF: Yao is being discriminated against and YOFs are losing interest. R2K: There's a techinical problem. The chatroom is not functioning properly LMAO
I used to like to trust that race play no part in bad officiating against Yao. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe David Stern doesn't want it to happen but as you say it's extremely difficult to prove so there's nothing Stern can do about it without Ref Union going jet li on his ass. Just show me one player gets as badly treated as Yao by the refs? I can't think of one player (scrub or superstar) being treated that way.
I hear a lot of times Yao is being called for the same type of foul and that he should adapt. But I believe about 1/3 of those fouls, are just him standing his ground, hands straight up, and players initiating the contact. So what is Yao supposed to that. Again I refer back to the CCTV5 halftime show. They showed some of the fouls in slow motion, and even drew diagrams and lines showing how Yao was following the defending rules correctly. What people are proposing is that Yao get out of the way most of the time when a player is initiating the contact. Already we have noticed on fast breaks Yao is just letting players lay up the ball, not giving a hard foul within the rules. I read on another post, that Yao's fouls should be fouls, hard fouls again within the rules. That's what Hakeem and Shaq did. If players have to worry about an elbow, I believe in the long run it will help us. And you know what, Yao is getting tons of elbows in the back when he posts up. I believe with the way Yao is playing this year, he should be leading the league with free throw attempts. Defenders are playing him the way they are playing Shaq, and gets his fair shair of free throws. Thinking back, I still don't know how officials can justify Karl Malone leading the league in free throw attempts compared to Yao now.
Not that anyone here is going to change their opinion one way or the other but... Personal Fouls per 48 minutes played (selected entries): #2 -Jerome James - 26.7 Danny Fortson - 16.0 Ervin Johnson - 16.0 Andre Blatchee - 13.7 Darko Milicic - 12.0 Mikki Moore - 11.7 Nazr Mohammed - 10.2 Eric Dampier - 10.0 Dikembe Mutombo - 8.3 Stromile Swift - 8.2 Kelvin Cato - 7.9 Rasho Nesterovic - 7.4 DeSagana Diop - 7.4 Dan Gadzuric - 7.4 Chris Andersen - 7.2 Kurt Thomas - 7.1 Greg Ostertag - 7.1 Eddy Curry - 6.9 83 - Yao Ming - 6.8 Alonzo Mourning - 6.6 # 104 - Kenyon Martin - 6.4 # 105 - Tyson Chandler - 6.3 #127 Shaq - 5.9 Zydrunas Ilguaskas - 5.6 Lo Wright - 5.3 Joel Pryzbilla - 5.2 Rasheed Wallace - 4.8 Troy Murphy - 4.7 Ryan Bowen - 4.7 Marcus Camby - 4.6 Kevin Garnett - 4.3 Chris Webber - 4.1 Juwan Howard - 4.0 Bruce Bowen - 3.7 Tim Duncan - 3.2 Ron Artest - 3.5 Tracy McGrady - 1.9 Ben Wallace - 1.9 Andrei Kirilenko - 1.5
Some of you guys haven't been watching NBA basketball for very long, have you? There are two rules when it comes to getting officials to see calls your way: 1. Be aggressive. The calls almost ALWAYS go to the aggressor as long as that person isn't out of control at the time. If you attack, you tend to get calls to go your way. If you are passive and wait for things to come to you, you tend to get calls made against you. It has always been this way. 2. Complain. Fact is, guys like Jordan, Olajuwaon, Duncan and others, while also brilliant players, knew that it was important to complain when calls didn't go their way. Charles Barkley was a master at getting the one technical and complaining just enough to get the refs to pay attention and get calls in his direction. Setting aside the superstar calls (Dream ALWAYS travelled on his moves, but never got called because he did it the same way every time - Jordan pushed off, but he always did it and was a superstar, so it got let go), officials are influenced by the odd combination of aggression and complaining. They seem opposite, but they are really effective. The best players knew how to make both work to their advantage. Unfortunately, Yao is neither aggressive nor a complainer. Both of those just simply work against him. When you don't complain, officials assume you are guilty. When you aren't aggressive, the calls go to those who are. And, PUH-LEEZE do not bring some racial thing into this. You guys have to be kidding with that. Yao is no different than anyone. If he wants more calls to go his way, he needs to be more aggressive both with opponents and with the officials.
they are only consistent when against him. at the other end when his defenders doing the same thing or worse yao never/rarely gets the call. that's my beef. regarding the segment on cctv5 there is something i'm a little confused. they mentioned one thing that when yao standing in the restricted area defending he was called for foul because his feet was on the ground. in another word, if he jumped with the opponent who was trying to score at that moment he would not have been called foul. can someone shed a light on this?
generally speaking it's true, but in yao's case these two points don't explain it all, especially the aggressive part. i guess that's why ppl trying to find all kinds of reasons, even the racial card. don't you agree that yao has been more aggressive this year? let's see the number of fouls he's got... year pf 2002-03 2.8 2003-04 3.3 2004-05 3.7 2005-06 4.3 there's got to be something more.
This part is worth re-reading by a whole lot of fans. Thanks Jeff. Without seeing or knowing which play you are referring to, it's nearly impossible to explain the rule. However, my suspicion is this. If an offensive player leaves his feet and goes completely vertical for a jump shot and a defender stays on the ground with his hands and body completely vertical but the defender in this example make a small but subtle step or movement towards the offensive player, it is a foul on the defender. Yao gets called for the above frequently and it's the right call. Yao is very big and his momentum often carries him forwards...even though he is completely vertical, grounded and hands straight up. There are three "mores" The first "more" is Yao's 1st season was the 1st year of the NBA zone. Very little zone was employed by any NBA team. The second "more" is that the Rockets went from a Francis-Mobley perimeter team to an inside out team. As a consequence, Yao got more offensive fouls. The 3rd "more" is that the NBA (in order to increase the excitement of the game) has decided to slant the rules to emphasize athleticism. Through all of this, Yao's personal fouls per 35 minutes played have only risen from 3.4 in his rookie year to 3.6 in Yr 2 to 4.3 in Yr 3. It's still early in the current season.
Please clarify this for us, Jeff. Is this a case of not wanting such discussion in this particular forum (and keeping it for the D&D), or just b/c you feel it's silly? If it is the latter, then there hasn't really been any conclusive explanation ruling this possibility out. I mean other than a CROCODILE giving his typically arrogance-laden let-me-tell-all-you-novice-watchers-how-it-is chime in, I haven't seen any plausible reasons stated for the consistently incorrect calls on Yao. You have stated that Yao needs to 1) be aggressive and 2) complain. I see Yao getting fouled out for being aggressive tonite with at least 3 offensive fouls being called. And at the same time I see him getting his 5th foul called on him with Chauncey Billups initiating all the contact by driving his left shoulder into a retreating Yao on the fast break. So it appears that being aggressive works for some players with the refs, but not with Yao. I also see Yao verbally complaining to refs after many of the incorrect calls. As does JVG, who was fined $100k for complaining publically last playoffs. You state that "Yao is no different than anyone". But I just don't see any other player, past or present, aggressive or meek, loud or quiet, who has consistently gotten such a high volume of incorrect calls against him. And I have been watching the L just as long as you. If you can put forth some reasonable explanation for all the bad calls I would actually appreciate it because personally I don't want to believe that the league is this way. But as it stands now, the argument with the least holes in it does appear to be this one of racial bias.
Wise up pl. Since the Crew has spoken. We noobs dont know jack. By the way is the ball round or square.
