[CBS][UPDATED]Magic TRIED TO get Martin for Gortat, Rockets say DENIED!

Where is that franchise player???? Melo??? CP3???? Where are they???

Is Cousins going to be one??? D.Favors??? Wall??? WHERE ARE THEY???

Is Barnes going to be one??? Perry Jones??? WHERE ARE THEM BOYS???

This is not a hate post or personal one, but I don´t like people that think that it is easy to go out there and make a decision..... whether is rebuild, tank, or simply trade for immediate improvement.

It is not easy folks..... think about it.

If tomorrow DM trades Scola for Cousins, some people will bash some will love it, the thing is, you will only know if he did a good job 5 years from tomorrow. If you trade proven players for Talented but very Risky players, one thing is for sure, you traded a better player for one with a higher celling, so as of today you lose, and there is NO GUARANTEE you will win tomorrow.

On the other hand if you trade, let´s say, Battier, Lee, Miller, FOR Deng plus 1st round pick (don´t go hard on the trade, I am not saying it is realistic), you get immediately better, you shorten the rotation, you make your starting 5 better, you open spots for guys like T.will and Paterson, you move Hill for the starting C position, and after that, if you go to the playoffs, and EVEN if you lose in the first round, your players are valued all over the league, AND THEN you can be a predator (I know Morey is always a predator, but I predict GMs are undervaluing our players making it harder for us to land big talented guys, because we are not a winning team).

I am not even going to talk about tanking, too much unpredictability.

I am not telling one is better then the other, what I know is, having a losing record, makes other teams, undervalue your players, so when losing, it is difficult to make a run for a superstar, or supertalent (of course if you don´t have a superstar/supertalent to trade, and even if you have one, GMs will still undervalue you, an example can be Blake Griffin, how can a team with him, and some very young talented guys, play so badly???/ some games they played well but they always find ways to lose)

PeAcE

 

Maybe they asked for Nelson, JJ and Gortat

 

I call this a walking, talking B.S. (not you OP, whoever the original source of this rumor). Gortart fills a position of need, and he is good, but Martin's consistency and overall quality of play is near all-star.

 

Ken Berger: Source correcting me: #Rockets didn't offer Kevin Martin for Gortat. They specifically wouldn't offer him. Twitter

 

You "wouldn't give up," but you'd gut the team for "potential" and draft picks. My god, DD, sometimes I think you're schzophrenic. How about we deal Aaron Brooks first, OK? We better do it in a hurry before he has a good game, because then you'll be calling for something else altogether. With all due respect.

 

So it is ok to insult people than say, with all due respect....LOL...piss off, you anal alice....oh, with all due respect of course.



I am saying that you don't QUIT on purpose, but you do go young......

If AB nets us a better player, sure, all aboard....choo choo !!!!

The only chance this team had was a healthy Yao, as slim as that was, it is now over....

I am all about getting YOUNG pieces and getting them time on the court to find out what we have...

Play the young guys...8th seed is a waste of time, better to be top 10 in the lotto then first round fodder.

DD

 

I agree that losing makes other teams not value our players as much -- Morey has said as much multiple times.

I also agree that there are no franchise players to be had, which is why I advocate rebuilding as opposed to continuing down the path looking for marginal upgrades.

Think about it -- we've been sold on this idea that our assets would trump ANY other teams assets when a star became available. Morey was a genius. Suddenly, a star become available - YES!! Finally we would be able to land him with Morey's grand plan! Wait.. why can't I get Denver on the line? Denver.. are you there? Why are you ignoring my phone calls and taking New Jerseys?!? Yeah, I know they have a potential future franchise player.. but INSTEAD of a franchise player, wouldn't you like a combination of Budinger, Patterson and Jordan Hill?!? No? Damn..

It's time to face reality. The franchise player that we were collecting assets for came and went -- we couldn't even buy a ticket to get on the bus. The only way you land those guys is by having young talent with elite potential.. i.e., high draft picks.

Here's how I look at it. I KNOW that Martin/Scola/Brooks are not a good enough core to win a championship. I can see this by stacking them up against the core of every elite team.. Pierce/Rondo/KG -- Kobe/Gasol/Odom -- James/Wade/Bosh -- Duncan/Ginobli/Parker. Putting myself in the shoes of the GM responsible for those teams, I wouldn't trade any of those third options for Scola, Martin or Brooks. They're all better than them.

So it begs the question.. why would I continue to build around Martin, Scola and Brooks when I don't even think they're good enough to be a #3 on a championship level team?

I KNOW the Draft is never guaranteed.. every year you have your big bust and your franchise player guys. What I do know is that Morey has been pretty good at recognizing talent. I have faith that, given the opportunity (top 3 - 5 picks), he would be able to draft us a core that could actually compare to the best teams in the league.

If I told you I could guarantee that your team would make the playoffs for the next 4 years, but that you would never seriously come close to winning the championship -- would you take it? I wouldn't.. I'd rather take my chances in the draft hoping to land someone that can take us to the promise land.

 

It is tough to say without seeing the full details of proposed trades, and who was proposing....

Had we moved Martin and Gortat was what we got back? I'd be suicidal. If it included VC....I'd be more okay with it, since it would be a step toward the full teardown the Rockets may need to be considering.

 

The problem DD is that the guys we have, even the young ones, will get us into the 8th seed territory. The Rockets are too good of a team to get a very high draft pick. I think once Aaron comes back he'll be enough to push us into the 7-8 seed area. Given the right matchup they could upset a higher seed in the playoffs.

 

We are one of the youngest teams in the league?

 

Don't confuse things, man.

 

Valid point. But, we have several young players that will quite possibly improve by a bunch - Hill, AB, T-Will, PPatt, maybe even Bud. I think that, if a couple of them reach the levels of Martin and Scola, not to mention the possibility that one of them becomes a top 10 talent, we have a shot at a ring.

 

The only bad thing is that the draft class this year is not that good outside of Kyrie Irving and Perry Jones III

 

But without any player on the entire team that has a chance to be that lead dog.

You go looking for that lead dog, and since none of the current ones are available you take a chance or two on some that might develop into them.

I do disagree about some things though, I do think we have enough number 2 or 3 people to be contenders if we can find a cornerstone.

DD

 

I guess I just don't get what people are seeing that I am not.

"rebuild" - we are, we picked a coach and a system and we have been assembling pieces for it. Truth be told, Yao never really fit in that system. Now we can fully commit. Think of Yao as the last piece from the Yao/McGrady JVG era.

"go young" - we are young? We have a few vets, but none of them are what I would call major pieces. Most of our guys havent even approached thier prime yet, and we have assets to make more pieces to get more talent here for when they do.

"shed bad contract" - we don't have any bad contracts?

"Fire Adelman" - okay? why? we have spent the last 3 years collecting Adelman players and now we want to get rid of him? Who are we replacing him with? What is the purpose of the new coach? To teach fundamentals?

"Fire Morey" - why? what should he have done differently?

People just aren't seeing the big picture. Answer all these questions and present an actual rebuilding plan and then ask yourself at the end if we are any better then than we are now.

But you didnt think we were good enough. You were against McGrady, against Bosh, against Melo. You don't want an alpha dog, you want a fictional hero. That doesnt exist in the real world.

Let me ask you this. Our team is mostly identical to last year with the exception of Martin instead of Ariza. If we are fully healthy, (sans Yao), what are we? A 45 win team? What if we added A Wallace/Iggy caliber 3 and M.Gasol at 5? What are we then? Are we a 55+ win team? Are we a contender? I think so. And I think we have the ability to get guys like that w/o gutting our team.

The point I am making is I think we are closer to a contender staying the path, than we are starting over. Specifically because we can't control the ping pong balls.

 

Enes Kanter, kid is a stud. He is young, however, has tons of upside. If he would have been eligible at Kentucky, he might be the #1 pick hands down.

 

outstanding post!

 

Morey should have asked for D Howard too.

 

I don't think Adelman saw it that way and would be shocked if he is here next season unless Morey gets a potential superstar to build around.

Yet we still start Scola, Hayes and Battier.....none of whom are young...when I say go young, I mean GO YOUNG....try to flip those guys for potential star players.

Agree.

Agree, but again, I don't think he hangs around.

I see it, I just think we need to focus it a little.

If we are going young...then DO IT...

Start Jordan Hill, sit Chuck.

Start Twill or CBud sit Shane

Keep Scola unless you flip him for a budding young player.

DD

 

Totally agree with you on each of these points. Especially the point about Yao and about how were pretty much young already.