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CBS Reporter Raped in Egypt by Mob

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  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    ima_drummer2k is one of the long-term solidly conservative posters, you noob.
     
  2. esteban

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    You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to basso again.
     
  3. esteban

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    That is your definition of conservatism, ha ha ha!!!
    The last time I check, no conservatives around this hijacked liberal forum has that many stupid little green squares!
     
  4. CrazyDave

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    Maybe it's the grammar?

    Knowing is half the battle.
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    IIRC, he hangs around mostly in the GARM and has probably gotten his "stupid little green squares" from there.

    My definition of "conservative" is spot on and I believe that ima would substantiate my opinion of his philosophy. Just because someone doesn't blindly support everything that comes out of Glenn Beck's mouth doesn't mean they are liberal.
     
  6. basso

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  8. tinman

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    The Egyptian government needs to find some of the perpetrators and have them convicted. If they don't, then this will not fare well with tourism which they rely heavily on for revenue.
     
  9. basso

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    charming.
     
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    Face of evil... backwards ass logic.
     
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    Yes! He bares the mark of shame, little green squares!

    Actually, he has them because he's funny and intelligent.

    You know, pretty much the exact opposite of you, Mr. No Bars.
     
  12. krnxsnoopy

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    LMAO.. That's a lawyer?
     
  13. Carl Herrera

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    From you link:


    but...

    So... the mob attacking Logan on the square was anti-Semitic. Before then, the regime arrested her and hassled them about being Israeli spies. I haven't heard anything about whether Logan was publicly accused by the prior regime about being an Israeli spy, but the prior regime was certainly not shy about spreading conspiracy theories about influence by everyone from Hamas to Israel to the US to Iran-- probably the first time these four groups have been accused of cooperating on something.

    Anyhow, it seems neither side of the revolution like Jews or Israel very much. But why does it make only the "freedom loving" Egyptians look good? The Mubarak-loving Egyptians (including the self-loving Mubarak) have certainly spewed plenty venom at and assulted foreign journalists.
     
  14. AroundTheWorld

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    Not surprising...the hate against Israel in the whole Arab world is evident. You would just need to look at the posts of some people on here. People grow up being indoctrinated that Israel is the devil.

    This BBC article from 2009 sheds some light on how extreme the hate is.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8285728.stm

    Egyptians nervous of Israeli culture

    Above one of the narrow streets that wind through al-Ataba, in downtown Cairo, there is a street sign that reads Harat al-Yahoud - the Alley of the Jews.

    It's a signpost to a period in Egypt's history when this neighbourhood was filled with Jewish families.

    Historically, the Jews of Egypt were a significant part of the intellectual and business classes; they sent their children to private schools and controlled many of Egypt's largest banks and businesses.

    But following the revolution in the 1950s, that brought Jamal Abdel Nasser to power, most of those businesses were confiscated by the state.

    Houses were abandoned as tensions with Israel grew and today there are very few Jews still remaining in Cairo.

    In Harat al-Yahoud the crumbling synagogue is about the only reminder.

    “ Real co-operation between Egyptians and the Israelis would raise the possibility of peace in this region. I am sure of it ”
    Ali Salem
    It's recently undergone some much needed restoration but the secrecy that surrounds projects like this reveals that in reality there is still enormous mistrust, even hatred, that exists for anything connected to Israel - and that includes Jewish culture.

    Ostracised

    Egypt's Culture Minister Farouk's Hosny, failed last month to become head of Unesco - the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization - at least partly because of his views on Israel.

    A minister for 22 years, he has refused to visit Israel, and his threat to burn any Israeli books he found in the Alexandria library, can hardly have helped.

    But the vote at Unesco sparked an interesting debate - why is Egypt so opposed to any form of cultural normalisation?

    True, there are no written laws to stop writers from travelling to Israel to promote their books but those who have tried have been castigated - even ostracised - by Egyptian society.

    In 1994 Ali Salem, once one of Egypt's most prominent playwrights, finally gave in to burning curiosity, jumping into a car and driving himself to the border.

    He spent 23 nights in Israel and wrote a book about his trip.

    "I asked myself who are these people and what are they doing? I wanted to find an answer," he said.

    "And I don't regret it. I declared my thoughts and I translated it into action. Real co-operation between Egyptians and the Israelis would raise the possibility of peace in this region. I am sure of it."

    Mr Salem was later expelled from the Writers' Union. In Egypt no-one will touch his work. Today his plays and movie scripts gather dust amid his tattered reputation.

    'Unwritten rules'

    Mr Salem believes the rules come from some place near the top.

    "How else could it happen?" he said. "Farouk Hosni after his failure at Unesco blamed a Jewish conspiracy. At the airport he declared an intellectual war against Israel."

    Hala Mustafa, the editor-in-chief of Democracy magazine, is another who fell foul of these "unwritten rules".

    “ According to our constitution I have the right to think and act freely... There is nothing to prevent my meeting with Israelis ”
    Hala Mustafa Democracy magazine
    As a writer and academic at the state-run al-Ahram Centre she was recently approached by the Israeli Ambassador, Shalom Cohen, who was keen to organise a debate on President Barack Obama's initiatives for peace.

    Since her meeting she has been vilified by her peers. Yehya Qallash, a member of the Journalists Syndicate, accused Ms Mustafa "of facilitating normalisation with Israel by welcoming Israelis into newspaper offices".

    The al-Ahram Media Group, the largest group in Egypt, has since voted to boycott Israel.

    The group's journalists are no longer allowed to interview Israelis, while the organisation refuses invitations to events where Israelis are participating.

    Ms Mustafa told me she was shocked by the reaction.

    "According to our constitution I have the right to think and act freely," she said, "to express my own point of view. There is nothing to prevent my meeting with Israelis - or with the Israeli ambassador who we all know is approved by the state."

    Helping the reader

    Gaber Asfour, the director of Egypt's National Centre for Translation, thinks the reaction was entirely predictable.

    "We are intellectuals and this issue is openly discussed. But peace is an effort. It takes two. And that is why we prefer Arab writers and academics to wait - until we have a fair peace," Mr Asfour argued.

    Since the 1960s Mr Asfour says his department has only translated "around 10 books" directly from Hebrew. They stopped translating them in 2000.

    But this year the Egyptian Ministry of Culture announced it had signed a contract with a European publishing house for translating books by Israeli authors David Grossman and Amos Oz from English.

    "This way we don't have to speak to the Israeli publishers," explains Mr Asfour. "And we are going to preface each of these books with an introduction explaining everything."

    "Don't you trust the reader?" I asked him.

    "Of course we respect the mind of the reader," he replied. "But we are going to help him with this introduction.

    "We have to know our enemy," he said. "Israel acts with injustice and inhumanity, we have to learn more about them. More than we already know. We have to translate everything."

    'Last card'

    Other Egyptian intellectuals take a harder line. They refuse Israel's right to exist and they believe translating Israeli books will significantly further cultural normalization.

    "The translation of books (by Grossman and Oz) are a step towards the destruction of a psychological barrier," wrote the Egyptian columnist Ammar Ali Hassan.

    In these 30 years of peace between Egypt and Israel there has been collaboration on politics, defence, business and agriculture but when it comes to culture the Egyptians are still mired in the cold war.

    Some liberal scholars - and the American administration - argue there is nothing to fear from intellectual discourse with Israel perhaps even something to gain. Others reject it completely.

    For the Arabs cultural normalisation is the last card - and it should only be dealt when a lasting and definitive peace has been achieved.
     
  15. oldgunrules

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    How does she like the "democratic", "free" Egypt now? Did she hear and feel the "people"?
     
  16. Carl Herrera

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    I don't think the sexual assault in this case has anything to do with Islam, but it apparently has to do with the irrational hate against Israel. As you could see from the interview with that female "lawyer", the hate against Israel apparently justifies almost anything, even sexually assaulting women - and it was a woman who said that!
     
  18. Joshfast

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    I heard she wants to get back to work. :confused:

    Since she's smarter then you, she probably understands the complexities of the situation and doesn't think r****ded.
     
  19. krnxsnoopy

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    guns > democratic/free
     
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