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CBS blocks MoveOn.org's kick.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by No Worries, Jan 25, 2004.

  1. GladiatoRowdy

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    Add to that the fact that they are going to run Bush ads and you have a media outlet who has had its back scratched by the administration returning the favor.

    Disgusting.

    Anyone know why the equal time laws don't apply here?
     
  2. GladiatoRowdy

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    It might not cause mass defections, but it might wake up the 90 million viewers to the extreme fiscal irresponsibility of this administration. You may feel comfortable cashing dividend checks from the government on the backs of your children, but I am not.
     
  3. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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  4. SamFisher

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    Because its issue ads and not candidacy ads.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Why you sensitive this morning, pal? I didn't denounce you or your buddy Ted Nugent...what gives?

    All I did was point out, that far from being a hate group, or running hate ads, as bigtexxx implied, Moveon.org was making a sensible point about the deficit --- one that many republicans agree with. By doing this, moveon.org was subjected to (the usual) vicious attacks from the right wing from the usual suspects, from professional smear artists like Drudge to complete idiots screaming racist insults.

    Why do you feel so sensitive about it? Do you need to contrast yourself with overt racists in order to make yourself feel better for some reason?
     
  6. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    This is what happens when you gather a group of uninformed angry liberals. They *invent* reasons why they are being wrongfully targeted and then convince one another that they are right. Poor liberals! And you wonder why their frustrated rants go unnoticed by rational Americans...

    Obviously, the liberals are wrong. CBS has every right in the world to turn down a potential advertiser. In fact, not only are they *able* to do so, but they *did*. It's simple, really. They are in the business of making money. They decide what course will help them advance towards this goal. Airing a highly devisive commercial about Bush's 'failures' is likely to anger over half of their football watching fans. This is not good for business, plain and simple. In a similar manner, it's not good for business to show ads from the Ku Klux Klan or from satanic cults. CBS has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders and its employees to maximize profits. They are doing so by turning down Moveon.org. End of discussion.
     
  7. SamFisher

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  8. giddyup

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    Actually I had some of Ted's venison chili last night. We were at his hunting lodge: me, Ted. Ozzy, both the Georges (Will and Stephenopoulos not Bush), and Howard Dean-- of all people. Ted loved that "I Have a Scream" thing. He's made Howard an offer for the rights to it for his next album.

    See my problem is that you characterize the right wing "usual suspects" as "professional smear artists" and "complete screaming idiots screaming racist insults."

    I'm "so sensitive" to it because I'm so attuned to your game and I feel an obligation to point it up. Yeah, that makes me feel better!
     
  9. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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  10. SamFisher

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    So wait a second, Matt Drudge is not a smear artist?

    You mean Matt "Sidney Blumenthal is a wife beater-- wait, no he isn't, I'm sorry Sidney, please don't sue me" is not a hit man? That's odd, because the guy is a professional gossipmonger with a long record of takedowns by printing sleazy accusations about democrats and other crap, that is either dubiously sourced, creatively edited, or just an outright lie.

    Quite frequently, these atttacks happen in curious synchronization with RNC directives, just last week, Drudge and the RNC launched a simultaneous, and distorted and twisted, attack, which was contemporaneously catalogued in this thread:
    http://bbs.clutchcity.net/php3/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71379 that you participated in by donating a scolding as to proper manners.

    Now, I don't know what your purpose is exactly here; apparently you are denying that the right wing hate/scandal/smear machine exists. Well, listen to talk radio sometime; RUsh, Ann Coulter, O'Reilly and the rest are about the best spokesman I could ever hope for on this issue....and their attacks on Moveon.org and other enemies falls in curious lockstep with RNC attacks on it.
    http://www.pnnonline.org/article.php?sid=4922 (note, you'll see Ed Gillespie's name again, RNC chairman who miraculously cited the same garbage 'scandal' about Clark simultaneous to Drudge)

    Now, I think the reason why you're sensitive about it is because pointing out overt racism makes your Willie Horton style soft racism seem more flattering and acceptable in comparison...It's the same concept that theGOP uses as a whole: Ride Trent Lott out of town on a rail, then appoint segregationist and "former" white supremacist Thomas Pickering to the Federal Bench wile Congress is away at 3 PM on a Friday afternoon before MLK day.

    As for you figuring out my "game", I'll gladly explain it to you to save you the trouble: My game is that I believe, rightly or wrongly, that I am more intelligent, better educated, and a better and more persuasive writer than you, TJ, texxx, and the rest of the right wing Keystone Kops brigade around here. Now, I realize that sounds arrogant, but there's no reason to be falsely modest; That's what you thought I believed, and I'm confirming that's what I do in fact believe Accordingly, I put these skills to use by deconstructing the lies, disingenuous arguments, and shallow logic that you guys put up here with regularity. Sometimes I do it well, other times not so well. Regardless, that's my game.
     
  11. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I question your intelligence and education if you believe anyone here is capable of being genuinely persuaded. As someone relatively new to the board, Sam, you have yet to learn some of the more important lessons that come with experience. You are a young rookie -- someone with a youthful exuberance and a high level of energy. You devote a very large amount of time to crafting what you believe to be well documented posts. In time, you will learn that this strategy bears no fruit. Your naivety will hopefully one day improve.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    LOL, true enough, fruit reaper.

    BTW, please tell me "naivety" was intentional....

    [​IMG]
     
  13. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    I'm just capturing this, pre-edit.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    But for your tightfistedness, you too could edit away your naiveté.....
     
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  16. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    naivety

    n : lack of sophistication or worldliness

    Gnaw on that.


    Nativity
    The birth of Jesus.
    A representation, such as a painting, of Jesus just after birth.
    Christmas.

    Then gnaw on that.
     
  17. RocketMan Tex

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    In Sam's defens(c)e, you aren't exactly Kristin Karin Hawkins.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    That was the point....a little slow on the uptake today?

    naiveté seems like the accepted spelling among non- naifs, but I guess you can use "naivety":, however, I think that in order to use that spelling, you have to be an honourable sort of gentlemen using it, perchance in defence of certain points or while engaged in various labours on your way to the loo, or just going about your business in your lorry.
     
  20. bamaslammer

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    OK, this is how it is:
    The NFL is a business and doesn't want to piss off half of its fans (if what you liberals say about us being split down the middle ideologically is true, which it is not). Michael Jordan, when asked as a player to endorse a political candidate, he muttered "Republicans buy shoes too." Same with the NFL. They don't want a bunch of partisan horsepuckey to muck up their biggest stage of the year. It has nothing to do with politics. God, I love it when the libs go into conspiracy theory mode.
     

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