There isn't support for $15.... and I would rather get something than nothing which is what will happen if progressives were in Biden's place. I think Europe's way is superior, but they didn't create that system overnight.
LOL..... if I'm not with you, I'm against you..... funny how BOTH extremes act. Like I said..... there's enough reasoning to raise the minimum wage, improve workers rights, raise the societal floor (healthcare, SSN, childcare, etc.) without all this insulting "slave wages".
I'm sorry your vocabulary is so basic and you think this is hyperbole. Are you also insulted at CFOs for trying to act like indians?
I'm sorry you can't come up with better arguments without using hyperbole and buzz words..... I get it.... Bernie said "slave wages" and you are just a slave for trends. "Slave wages"..... that's the best you can do?
Slavery does not give you the option to gain other employment. There is a reason slavery, indentured servant and contractual are different. A slave is a person who has no options or choices and is actually not paid at all.
Except the majority of the USA does not think wages cannot be higher. This type of rhetoric serves no purpose. So because that happened to one business it means it will happen to all. This is in Pittsburgh would that happen in Brenham TX? Or maybe they don't think side picking is productive. Who said sides had to picked politically?
Can you understand where their argument comes from or are you just going to dismiss it because at face value from your perception its ridiculous? You aren't going to even attempt to understand their logic and reasoning and just dismiss it at face value? Do you honestly believe the posted you responded to believes what they are typing just because Bernie Sanders said so? Seems like a right wing tactic.
No, I'm saying the anectdata war can be waged both ways. For some reason, it's always the "can't hire workers for my shitty low wages" people that tend to dominate recent conversations about supposed labor shortages. It's not that hard to cure a labor shortage! It will happen for all eventually because employees are now demanding $15, the number has cemented itself in the public consciousness and is pushing wages upwards. The fight for 15 is being won in practice if not in legislation. I don't doubt that there will be some holdout areas in some places that will still try to grind their own people into the dirt which is the hallmark of Republican-Authoritarian politics these day, those people will leave if they can for other places. If Brenham can't pay $15, ok, people will go to Austin or Houston or whatever, like they have for generations anyway.
See this is the **** that makes my blood boil and it's the reason people like yourself will never get anything accomplished politically. Just because a person does not whole heartedly agree with you they have to be a conservative and think something like that. And it's interesting that you went from slave wages to wage slave which is 2 different things. This pick a side mentality is what's wrong with politics currently and will continue to trip up progressives. , post: 13561107, member: 46089"]I'm assuming there are no small family owned restaurants in Europe because I was told paying a living wage for small businesses would end them.[/QUOTE] Who told you that. Why must you always exaggerate everything. You do know a living wage changes from location to location.
What are we talking about? I've clearly stated I want to increase the societal floor.... but let's be honest.... it isn't "far enough" or "good enough" for you. I think I've demonstrated that I understand their/your logic and reasoning but just don't go as far. My post history shows my disdain for conservatives and the GOP, but that doesn't mean I'm okay when Progressives engaging in similar behavior. Progressives suck at creating a narrative, which is why conservatives/GOP keep winning.
Who told you that. Why must you always exaggerate everything. You do know a living wage changes from location to location.[/QUOTE] What have you accomplished politically?
It's not merely just going "as far". You are outright dismissing the claim from a perception there the claim is outrageous without explaining why. The right wing keeps on winning because the right wing advocates for status quo hierarchical origination if society. Progressives lose because their desires interfere with those even on the Democrat side and their status quo which they enjoy. Therefore the Democrat moderates will quickly shoot down and attack progressives while the GOP moderates will deaf their tail to condemn right wing extremists in their party and often tag along with them. Because those right wing extremists aren't harming their bottom line of desiring to keep on getting wealthy from their positions from insider trading and the revolving door. Progressives want to end that and that hurts people like Pelosi. How many times has Marjorie Taylor Green advocated to end insider trading practices or the revolving door in Congress? The answer to that question is why they are more successful in spreading their message and getting what they want. They don't buck the status quo of the powerful.
Using your logic why don't people move anyway to places that pay higher wages? The question is not if Brenham cannot pay, its if 15 dollars in Brenham is the bottom amount that will sustain living in Brenham. I am not even against raising the MW that much I just realise how that will affect small businesses in rural areas and I don't think every job is worth 15 dollars an hour.
Your Brenham/ATX/Houston analogy is key..... Brenham are the small businesses and ATX/Houston are the Amazons, McDonalds, Chipotles. I don't see why we need to shock small businesses by raising wages so fast. Bigger companies can use their scale to provide better pay and benefits. Is titrating the federal minimum upwards that unacceptable?
It does not matter what happens, a slave does not have the option to stop working. Hell I don't get "slave wages" but if I stop working the same will happen to me.
Even the most extreme 15 dollar an hour plan by progressives have a eased in progression over multiple years.
You are redefining "slavery" in order to prop up your argument....... Spare me. Because the details matter..... Moderate Dems (aka the boogeyman) like myself think you people are all hat and no cattle. You keep losing the narrative battle and you don't know why.
Do people who don't have some parent or family member to cover them have the option to stop working? If the only work they are capable of is menial labor due to things like learning disabilities, have no support system from parents or relatives, are they not being forced to work wages that don't cover basic expenses from rent to healthcare? What choice do they have exactly?
