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CBO: $15 minimum wage hike would cost 1.4M jobs

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Feb 9, 2021.

  1. fchowd0311

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    I don't get your point? Are you saying that "corporate jobs" are the only ones that allow affording of living life at the bare essential level(clean shelter, water, utilities, access to healthcare)?

    So why would someone dedicate 40 hours of their life per week to someone else's profit motive if it doesn't provide the basic necessities? Are you saying that full time min wage jobs shouldn't exist?
     
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  2. jiggyfly

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    No that not what I am saying, I am saying we would have more big box stores and companies like amazon and small stores and businesses will go out of business.

    Not everyone dedicates there life to 40 hours a week to some it's supplemental income.

    I am definitely not saying full time min wage jobs should not exist and it shows you want take what I am saying out of context.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    FDR is not our Lord and Savior who could predict 80 years into the future.

    A livable wage in the 1940's is very different from livable wages in 2020 and needs to be addressed in a completely different manner. The fact we are discussing minimum wage as a solution is completely idiotic. Im not a fan of UBI but its a much better metric than discussing minimum wage. The current solution and discussions are decades of degradation that is leading to generational poverty.

    Also The New Deal wasn't favoring minorities.

    Working at McDonalds is not a career path and we really need to stop pretending it is. Laziness is a real issue in America.
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Does not having a career path mean you shouldn't be able to afford healthcare?

    Yes a career path will more likely give you the chance to own a new Acura or BMW, own a 4 bedroom home with a nice yard but is that what people who want the minimum wage increased want out of min wage labor?

    Also, there will always be a segment of the population that cannot do anything beyond menial labor. If they are dedicating 40+ hours to someone else's profit motive, they don't deserve the basics for living? Or do you think we want these people to be able to afford a Xbox Series X, PS5 and a gaming PC with a rtx3080 along with basic necessities?
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    And? My point is that there are people who do. Millions of them. And if you dedicate 40 he's of your life per week for someone else, you should expect basic needs met.

    I'm not asking for these people to afford new BMWs and PlayStation 5s.
     
  6. jiggyfly

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    Ok I have no idea what any of this has to do with what I said.

    So i'm out.
     
  7. Space Ghost

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    Not have a career path means the person is on a path for a lifetime of poverty.

    If you think a person flipping burgers deserves a livable wage, you're being extremely short sighted. A livable wage is not the same as a livable wage a 100 years ago. The cost is much higher.

    Why would a business pay a no-skilled life hack 50k to flip burgers when they can pay a Wall-E bot to make the burger the exact same way day in and day out, never have to worry about benefits, or showing up to work late, doesn't get COVID or the endless problems no-skilled laborers present?

    If you do not have skills, you will be replaced by automation. This is nothing new. Its been going on for centuries. Not evolving is not an excuse.
     
  8. Supermac34

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    Why are the only choices $7.25 or $15. Why not $10? $11?
     
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  9. fchowd0311

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    Well I guess that sucks for fast food corporations as most of their consumer base are low wage people so if the industry replaces these people and there is no supplementary income, these industries lose a large part of their consumer base.

    Also, no matter how "unlazy" a society is, it will always produce a sizable percentage of people who have some type of learning disability and low intellegence no matter how hard they try to do nothing beyond menial labor.

    Also people who are even just temporarily using min wage work as temporary measure while trying to improve their skills to be employable in a career field....




    Still need to live in the meantime.

    Imagine how many more mentally healthy skilled workers there would be if when they were doing the training necessary to achieve said skills to have a career, didn't have the mental stress of fearing eviction because they didn't work 50 hours that week because they needed to study maybe a little extra that week for the skill they needed to obtain?
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    $15 an hour minimum wage seems to have anchored itself as the market rate for what people demand in most urban regions these days regardless of what the federal or local statutory minimum is.

    Good.
     
  11. Space Ghost

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    You know this is a complete red herring.

    Imagine if we focused on fixing the problem in early child hood development instead of waiting until adulthood where impoverished adults become fodder for political parties.

    We should be dumping hundred of billions of dollars in early childhood development and training our educators to be more than glorified baby sitters. Stuffing 20 - 30 kids wtih one teacher is idiotic. Dedicated class groups should be limited to 5-7 students per educator. As children become more independent as they get older, that number can expand. As young adults enter high school, we can teach them to become mentors to those in grade schools. And so forth as adults enter the work force or whatever their career path may follow. The current model encourages elitism that benefits a small group and leaves the remainder behind.

    But hey, instead, lets just hand out massive welfare and b**** and moan about the problems.
     
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    Lets assume every kid is well educated. Every teen busts their ass and gets a diploma. Are there suddenly gonna be more programming jobs available. More doctors, more attorneys?

    No there will f**king not, there is a finite amount of "skilled" positions in this country. So there will always, no matter what changes, need to exist a lower rung of unskilled labor. Now if you're saying all those people deserve to live in poverty for not winning the race then you're just a POS.

    We have more than enough resources that no person willing to work in this country should live in poverty. Don't agree with 15, but 7.25 is BS poverty wage.
     
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  13. Amiga

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    I hope you aren't saying that's the main reason why we have poverty.

    Laziness is an issue anywhere in the world. I doubt human being in American has any more or less tendency to be lazy. We might have a society that keeps people from desiring more, but that's not necessarily laziness. We might also have a society that keeps people from looking for a better opportunity, maybe because they are way too busy to just stay afloat. I'm sure some are content and happy with flipping burgers 8hrs a day, 5 days a week. 40 hrs of the flipping burger is a pretty manual-intensive job and I wouldn't call it laziness.

    Then there are those with mental illness, are handicapped, or unfortunately born with less than a full capacity of the mind or brain of a typical human being. Personally, I hate it when there is a lack of trying to understand other people's situation and just label them lazy as if that's the only possible reason why someone is stuck in a bad situation or poverty.
     
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    I disagree. That's what the rich want you to believe. Small businesses can survive paying the people who do their dirty work or sell their products even if they pay them a living wage. The biggest threat to small businesses are these billionaire companies who get millions in tax cuts to drive out all the mom and pop shops, hardware stores, etc...
     
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    Good post sir
     
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  16. jiggyfly

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    No they cannot and it has nothing to do with what the rich wants you to believe.

    A stand alone restaurant or convenience store in a rural area cannot stand that type of wage inflation.

    If they raise prices to do that everybody will just start shopping at big box stores and amazon or go to chain restaurants.

    They have threats from all sides
     
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    If your business can't exist without paying slave wages, then it shouldn't exist.
     
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    So untrue. Their prices have not remained the same since 2009. They just make more profits because their labor is as cheap as it was 12 years ago.

    The problem is places like WalMart and Amazon have driven them out. They struggle to compete with the giant corporations.

    If minimum wage is brought to a fairer level, then people working 60 hr weeks and on call every other week in blue collar jobs for oil companies, construction companies, etc... will get paid more as well. There are people working those jobs who don't see raises for years, and will get fired if they don't want to work as many hours as their boss schedules them to, for as many days straight as he needs to make millions.
     
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    Well this just means we got Robots taking over the jobs
    @J.R.

    Alexa at the drive thru would work too, because she won't mess up
    my quarter pounder with a filet o fish

     
  20. jiggyfly

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    What does prices remaining the same as 12 years ago have to do with anything?

    Yes that is part of the problem and if they have to compete with them on wages what do you think happens?
     

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