Cleveland was the first time he fit in. It was a good fit, or so it seemed. That's why this sdeal eems so odd to me.
PHILADELPHIA -- Point guard Eric Snow was traded by the 76ers to the Cleveland Cavaliers on Tuesday for guards Kevin Ollie and Kedrick Brown. This will be Ollie's third stint with Philadelphia. Snow spent 6½ seasons with the 76ers, averaging 9.7 points and 6.6 assists while helping them to the 2001 Eastern Conference championship. "Eric was a great captain and a great leader for us, and I wish him the best of luck," 76ers president Billy King said. "This deal will give our younger players an opportunity to play. Kevin is a solid player who will give us the leadership we need in the backcourt, and Kedrick is a developing young player who will add more depth to our bench." Philadelphia coach Jim O'Brien has said he wanted an up-tempo team. That didn't seem to fit Snow, who is a better fit in a half-court offense. O'Brien said in his system there was little need for a true point guard, suggesting Snow's time in Philadelphia could be up. Snow agreed before last season to a four-year contract extension that runs through the 2008-09 season. A starter the past two seasons, Snow should help solidify Cleveland's backcourt. The Cavaliers had sought depth behind Jeff McInnis. After going 17-65 two seasons ago, the Cavaliers finished 35-47 and might have made the playoffs if not for McInnis' missing nine games down the stretch with a shoulder injury. The Cavs also have been looking to add defense, something Snow is known for. Playing beside Allen Iverson in the Sixers' backcourt, Snow also has been among the league leaders in assists. The move rids Cleveland of Ollie's $15 million, five-year contract, clearing room under the salary cap as the Cavaliers look to replace Carlos Boozer. Boozer last week signed an offer sheet with the Jazz after Cleveland chose not to pick up a one-year option on his contract. The Cavaliers have said Boozer gave his word that he'd sign a long-term deal with Cleveland, a claim Boozer has denied. Ollie played in Philadelphia during the 1999-00 season and the 2000-01 season when the Sixers advanced to the NBA Finals. The 6-foot-2 guard has averaged 4.4 points, 1.8 rebounds and 2.7 assists in his seven-year NBA career. With the 76ers, he averaged 2.9 points, 1.1 rebounds, and 1.8 assists in 91 games. Ollie has played for 10 NBA teams -- Chicago, Dallas, Indiana, Milwaukee, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Orlando, Sacramento and Seattle before his one-season stay with the Cavaliers. Brown, 6-7, was a first-round pick (11th overall) by Boston in the 2001 draft and was traded to the Cavaliers in 2003. He's averaged 3.7 points and 2.5 rebounds in his career. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1843165 the part in bold cracks me up. Where do they get this crap? How in the world does it make sense that getting rid of a 5 year 15 million dollar contract in exchange for a 5 year contract worth more than 30 million dollars helps them clear salary cap to replace Boozer?
My bad - brain fart. What about Newble or Wagner, in lieu of Brown? Otherwise, I can't see a package that works, if MoT is the bait.
Well, Silas and Newble got into that infamous near-violent, profanity laced argument last year, and I know they still don't get along well, so I could definitely see Newble getting shipped out. Not sure about Wagner though, since he just got done leading the summer league in scoring, we'll probably need him to pick up the scoring burden that Boozer left us with.
Boozer was the trash man, and great at it. Wags is a 2 in a 1's body. Maybe he'll 'grow' into The Microwave. But he can never be compared to CBoo.
Exactly what I was wondering. The contract values had to basically match. I think Cleveland still has about 2 million under the cap, depending on what they do with, uh, Williams? I still say we should trade Juwan for McInnis or Snow (the former having the outside shot, the latter having defense and the half-court game that JVG wants with our team).
Speaking as a complete outsider, everything I read in this post says McGinnis is absolutely not available.
Not that the Cavs (or Rox) would do it, but salarywise, Mo T = McInnis + Eric Williams re-signed @ $3.5m.
i dont think we can get mciness: The Cavaliers were shopping for a backup for Jeff McInnis, who quickly became a team leader and initiated the offense in his first season with the team. Coach Paul Silas said no one was taking McInnis' spot. "It's Jeff's job. It's conceivable they can play together," Silas said. "Right now, Jeff is my man and I don't anticipate that changing at all." Silas said he liked adding Snow's playoff experience to a maturing team that includes McInnis, LeBron James and Zydrunas Ilgauskas. "Eric's one of those guys who will be a great complement to our players," Cavaliers general manager Jim Paxson said. link: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/2692127
This has to make one skeptical about McInnis. I know the guy can ball but I think he has a case of the Gary Payton effect. I mean if the cavs are giving up on him, what are we missing? Quick question who would you rather have Snow or McInnis? If you answered McInnis you better ask yourself why Cleveland would give him up!
I don't know if anyone has answered this, but could they just be picking up cap relief to match Boozer? Getting a new starting point to replace McInnis. I thought he was restricted still even though they didn't pick up his option. Give them our TE for something. That would give them a great start. I'm no expert, but couldn't they then renounce it and just have cap space? If it were possble, I would love it if they screwed Utah with their own money. Oh well....It's probably not even possible. They probably don't even want Boozer after everything that has gone on if it was.
Please, please STOP thinking we're getting McInnis. As one or 2 out of the many who have posted pointed out, the Cavs love him, and he played very well for them. He's not coming to our team for a mediocre big man in Mo Taylor when Snow doesn't run the offense they run as well as McInnis. Cleveland likes to push it more than Snow is capable of doing...granted, Lebron can handle some of that, but Snow would just slow them down. Anyone see how many of the 2-on-1's for them were Lebron/McInnis? Pipe dream is over, start looking back at that quartet..Ward/Daniels/Jones/James
From ESPN The Cavaliers were shopping for a backup for Jeff McInnis, who quickly became a team leader and initiated the offense in his first season with the team. Coach Paul Silas said no one was taking McInnis' spot. Losing Carlos Boozer, paying a backup PG 4M+, Cavs must be the worst managed team in the NBA.
any catch this from Stephen A.'s article..... If Snow had his druthers, there would have been more such times in Houston, alongside Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady. If only the Rockets had been willing to deal Juwan Howard to the Sixers instead of Maurice Taylor - but they weren't. So Cleveland, a mere 45 minutes away from where Snow grew up in Canton, stepped up to the plate and became Snow's newest home. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/9201579.htm
I think that is smart of the Rockets. I would rather have Mo and Juwan than Mo and Snow. The problem, I fear, is that once the season starts Juwan will probably get more playing time than Mo and if Mo's numbers go down he will be even harder to trade (if that's possible). If we have any hope of trading Mo, we better hope that the Rockets don't pick up a backup center, and those minutes go to Howard, thus giving Mo more minutes.
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/basketball/nba/cleveland_cavaliers/9204527.htm?1c this article says the rockets in interested in Jeff McInnis
Maybe we'll trade a player and TE so they could go out and try and sign Swift.... http://www.cleveland.com/weblogs/lebron/ Tuesday, July 20, 2004 Are the Cavs done trading? The Cavs' recent trade of Kevin Ollie and Kedrick Brown for the Sixers' Eric Snow leads one to start questioning the exact motive behind the deal. If you recall last year in Portland prior to the deal that sent McInnis and Boumtje-Boumtje to Cleveland for Darius Miles, McInnis was not a happy camper. The outspoken PG openly complained to Blazers' management that he was not getting enough playing time. He continually stated that he wanted out. Once landing in Cleveland, McInnis finally got an opportunity to showcase his skills and showed everyone around the league that he was a legitimate starting PG. Eric Snow is also a legitimate starting PG. Trying to find minutes for both players while maintaining a Zen-like atmosphere is not going to be an easy task. That's why this trade leads me to believe that Eric Snow will not be in a Cleveland uniform for long. It just doesn't make sense. Now don't get me wrong, I would love to have two quality point guards on the roster. It would provide the depth the team lacked last year while making their run for the playoffs. However, I don't see either of these players remaining happy in a back-up role. I'm assuming, although it is often times a horrible thing to assume, that the Cavaliers will ship Snow out to a team for a future first round pick and a low salaried player. This move would free up some cap space and allow the Cavs to go after a PF. Keep the name Stromile Swift fresh in your mind. He's a player that is young and filled with potential and would be a good fit within the team’s up-tempo offense. If the Cavs could move Snow for next to peanuts they would have the space to compete with Atlanta for Swift's services. We must also remember that Memphis is also in the mix here. Swift is a restricted free agent. That tag allows the Grizzlies a chance to match any offer he may receive on the open market. So what’s the solution to this conundrum? Cold hard cash. It’s going to take a lot of peanuts to get this guy away from Memphis. By moving Snow, this scenario would seem possible. If they don't move Snow, this move once again looks like a mistake. Not because Snow is a bad player, but because of the ramifications this could have on the team's chemistry. And not to mention the fact that we still do not have a starting PF. Look for more on this move to unfold in the coming days.
Maybe Wagner and Diop for Mo &TE? Cavaliers guard Dajuan Wagner, who played some point guard in the summer league, will now concentrate on playing shooting guard -- his natural position. He struggled running the point in the summer, but proved he could score points in bunches. The Cavaliers might couple Wagner and center DeSagana Diop and try to trade for a power forward. http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=12415049&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46370&rfi=6
