Okay, well then maybe Z should've been a better and more important player if he wants to be calling the shots. Or perhaps he should've just had a provision put in his contract that says he can do whatever the F he wants, like I'm sure Lebron has. There is no way the fact that Z is an old, injury prone big man didn't factor into this decision as well.
So when you're proven wrong about the Cavs being able to restrict Ilgauskas (it's in the freakin contract if you still don't believe it), you start insulting others and now you're on me about LeBron? Way to ignore the main topic and start something else when you were starting to look like an idiot. I don't care what you think is dumb or not. It was dumb of you to start flaming every poster in here saying stuff like "no way can the Cavs restrict Ilgauskas from playing," when it's in the god damn contract. You're the one that looks like a fool arguing about something when the answer is right there in English staring back at you. Now you're making more assumptions that the Cavs can't stop LeBron. You know what? Damn right they can't. It's LeBron freakin James. He has a lot more bargaining power, and his name is above the Cavs. Ilgauskas on the other hand is NOT. If LeBron wants to play he will play. If the Cavs try to sit him out or suspend him for a few games for disobeying them, they will be booed everywhere and be all over the media with horribly bad publicity. Sitting out Ilgauskas will not do that to them. They're not stupid that they will try to restrict LeBron as well. Like I said earlier, everything isn't black or white. Try to think a little. The Cavs will be forced to let LeBron play, because his status is above the organization itself. The Cavs also don't want to piss off LeBron because they want to resign him. Ilgauskas on the other hand is in control by them and he's not going anywhere else. He's not the household name LeBron is. He doesn't have the leverage that LeBron does. Guess what? Life is unfair. Deal with it. Bottom line. LeBron James WILL PLAY for USA. Ilgauskas WILL NOT play for Lithuania. However you want to deal with that, it's your problem. I'm through arguing with you.
Wow, bargaining power, status, Cavs can't stop Lebron...so you have just repeated everything that I said. Is it your way to admit that you were wrong? What's up with your injury theory. Yeah, right, Cavs let Lebron play but not Z because Lebron doesn't have a history of injury. Is that the reason that you gave before? Now you talk like you agreed with what I said from the beginning. How funny, Mr. Backpedaling. Yes, Lebron WILL and SHOULD play for USA. And Z SHOULD have the same chance to play for Lithuania too. Why do you try to make it out like I don't think Lebron should play for his country? How much more low can you get? When have I said angthing remotely close to that? Yes, Lebron SHOULD represent USA in the Olympics, and Z should have the chance to represent Lithuania too. Is it clear enough for you now?
Oh, I forgot to say this. You started your post by accusing me insulting the other people. And then you continued your posts with all kind of name callings. And this is my replied to you. So who is doing the insulting? Do you own a mirror at home?
I'm not hiding behind anything Mr. Sensitive. Z is a slave, hmm ok. I guess its pointless talking to someone who just throws around insults and thinks an NBA athlete is a slave for ANY reason. Get counseling already.
How about you stop triple posting. Anyways I knew this thread was going to turn into kids wanting to sound mature (CONTRACTS, CONTRACTS, CONTRACTS) vs the hippies. I think in the end it's Z's own fault for not having the bargaining power. It doesn't make Ferry look any better though. It's still quite a shame
Wow, is that your best comeback? Mr. Sensitive? What am I sensitive about? Do you even know the meaning of the term, sensitive? Perhaps you are feeling so humiliated after I have taken your posts apart that you just reached for anything to fire back. Perhaps you said that because I called the other person Mr. Backpedaling? LOL, I called him that name with more than good reasons. Just read post #103. You are overly sensitive if you feel so upset because of it. Look in the mirror and call yourself Mr. Sensitive then, It's your name.
The fact of the matter is both sides are going to do what's best for them. The Cavs are making it perfectly clear that they intend to protect their investment by not allowing him (who happens to be an injury-prone player) to play in the Olympics. However, I really don't see (unless it is explicitly stated in his contract that all decisions pertaining to extracurricular basketball games are to be made by the Cavs) how the Cavs can flat out tell him no. Money makes the world go round, and honestly, as Z's employer (and the people paying him millions upon millions of dollars), I can sympathize with what Cleveland is trying to do. It's clear that the Cavs do not have a backup that can match Z's production, so they are going to do everything they can to ensure this risk is not taken. I can also see Z's point of view. (although I don't understand why he wants to play in the games now all of a sudden....was he hurt the last 2 or 3 Olympics or something?) This is his last opportunity to represent his country, and he wants to give it a go. It's a tough decision, but ultimately, money makes the world go round, and I think the Cavs will win out. And really, I would love it if Yao would decide, after these Olympics of course, that he is done with the CNT. I wish he could show the same loyalty to the city of Houston that he shows to China. Houston as done as much for him as anyone else, and for all intents and purposes, is his home town now.
Yao and every other Chinese player is on loan to the NBA. That's how all their contracts are written so they will always have first priority with the CNT.
That actually makes a lot of sense. So basically, is Yao going to play for them every off-season, or does he actually get a choice in the matter? Or is PLAYING for them every off-season his choice?
Yao really has no say in the matter. His first priority and contractually is to the Chinese National Team.
Two different systems. Here in the U.S, it's your mommy and daddy who drives you to practice and feed you until some scouts seriously think you can make it In China, Yao goes to a state run athletics school and everything is paid for by the government. In a way, you could say that Yao owes them. Of course I'm against Yao playing too many games too but bottom line is it is part of his obligation Hmm read?
I participated quite a bit in this thread and I am neither a kid or a hippie. Your response: fails to clarify anything since you attempted to pigeonhole people with a blanket statement that obviously doesn't apply to everybody as you had suggested earlier.
Well finally an end to the Big Z drama and not one that anyone expected either. The end of Ilgauskas drama 2008-06-23 08:50 Zydrunas IlgauskasZydrunas Ilgauskas will not be making his debut for Lithuania national team, Respublika daily writes. 33-year-old Cleveland Cavaliers center will not be able to play because of a back problems. He already had to miss a couple of weeks in March due to the same problem. Ilgauskas started training individually because he wanted to come fit to the Lithuania NT camp. Though he felt strong pain in his back and was tested by Cavs' doctors. A progressing spine hernia was diagnosed. Lithuanian basketball federation (LKF) representitives said that everything was ready for Zydrunas Ilgauskas to come and play for Lithuania except medical confirmation that he is healthy. http://www.talkbasket.net/news/the-end-of-ilgauskas-drama.html
I agree.. but the NBA is a business and the Cavs are looking out for their best interests.. hold up.. isn't Lebron playing in the Olympics?!! Stern is at it again!!! Let Z play!
